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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       11/2/2008 12:47:20 AM
sorry guys, but hes got a point, SEALs were in WWII, they were called UDT's though(underwater demolition teams) and the UDT has evolved into the SEAL teams as we know them today. SEALs train for a long time, but not 5 years, but then again they might, they might train for 10 years, i dont think the DoD wants the world knowing how long SEALs train, so noone has enough experience to say how many years they train, noone here even has any experience to say they know wat SEALs do.
 
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gf0012-aust       11/2/2008 1:49:22 AM

noone here even has any experience to say they know wat SEALs do.

actually, there are at least 3 people in here who do.....
 
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bob the brit       11/2/2008 11:38:26 AM

sorry guys, but hes got a point, SEALs were in WWII, they were called UDT's though(underwater demolition teams) and the UDT has evolved into the SEAL teams as we know them today. SEALs train for a long time, but not 5 years, but then again they might, they might train for 10 years, i dont think the DoD wants the world knowing how long SEALs train, so noone has enough experience to say how many years they train, noone here even has any experience to say they know wat SEALs do.
once again, as pointed out numerous times by the great masses and multitudes of "those who know" before, SEALs were not present in world war 2. if they were, then they would have also been referred to as SEALs, not UDTs. UDTs were simply the precursor to SEALs, not the same thing with a different name. furthermore, and this should be the most striking point that shows why SEALs were not present in WW2 under the monicker UDTs... the organisation that calls itself SEALs operate in a multitude of environments using a multitude of methods of approach to each task, hence the whole Sea, Air, Land part of their title. UDTs, [while there were a couple of incidents that saw them that little bit far past the water line] were strictly a water based special operations unit. their approach to warfare was usually limited to swimming, paddling, or small water craft [submersible and not]. unlike SEALs, they didn't have a penchant for lobbing themselves out the back of planes with a silk canopy to slow their descent, nor were they seen rolling up in a cross country motor ready to carry out their task [which was limited to waterborne tasks]. SEALs however, find themselves well versed in all manners of tasks be it on land, underwater or only reachable by air. don't let their affiliation with the navy throw you off.
 
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bob the brit       11/2/2008 11:47:35 AM
as for training, well you're always training. you don't practice for, let's say three years, and then stop and sit around waiting for action. if you're not busy on task, you're training. all this nonsense about training for a set number of years is rather ridiculous. yes, sometimes there are stipulations that you must practice your skills through training for a certain period of time before being allowed to go operational, but in the places where such stipulations function, rules are often bent and the uppers prefer to look at an individuals strengths and skills and make judgement as opposed to making judgement based solely on how long he's be in training.
 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       11/3/2008 11:47:23 PM
True.... You guys are right... My bad.
 
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bob the brit       11/4/2008 10:23:58 AM

True.... You guys are right... My bad.


 
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bob the brit       11/4/2008 1:09:56 PM
i was sure i had typed something in my last post . oh well, what i had said was that it's a common argument used by many that SEALs were present in WW2 under the guise of UDTs, but when you look at all the factors in the equation you see the answer.
 
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Sleeping Giant    The Special Activities Division   12/21/2008 11:38:15 PM
You want to know who the best in the world is?  Here they are.  They are the best of the best who have been culled from the best.  You can't get much more elite than that.
 

The Special Activities Division (SAD) is a division of the Central Intelligence Agency's National Clandestine Service, responsible for covert action paramilitary operations, the collection of intelligence in hostile and/or denied areas and all high threat military and/or intelligence operations when the U.S. Government does not wish to be overtly associated with such activities.

The National Clandestine Service's action arm is SAD, which conducts direct action such as raids, ambush, sabotage, targeted assassinations, unconventional warfare (e.g. training and leading guerrilla and military units of other countries in combat), and deniable psychological operations, the latter also known as black propaganda or "Covert Influence". Special reconnaissance is another area that can be under either military or intelligence, but is usually carried out by SAD officers when in denied areas.[4]

The unit's existence became better understood in the autumn of 2001, when U.S. special operations forces arrived in Afghanistan to hunt down Al Qaeda leaders and aid the Northern Alliance against the ruling Taliban. SAD units also defeated Al Qaeda in Northern Iraq prior to the invasion and trained, equipped, organized and led the Kurdish forces to defeat Saddam's Army in the North.

Conflict occasionally arises between Special Operations Command (SOCOM) units and SAD as to who will be the primary mission force for these types of operations. This is usually confined to the civilian/political heads of the respective Department/Agency and is largely a result of those individuals seeking credit. When SAD is combined with the U.S. military's Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) and/or other SOCOM units, many consider it the most lethal and effective special operations force in the world.[9] SAD selects its operators from the most elite units in the U.S. military such as the Navy's Special Warfare Development Group (especially, but not limited to, SEAL Team 6), the Army's 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (Delta Force, CAG), Special Forces (Green Berets), Rangers, and the Quote    Reply


ArtyEngineer    Sleeping Giant   12/22/2008 1:46:00 AM
Why thank you so much for clarifying the issue for us with a wonderful Wikipedia cut and paste job.  We are forever in your debt, we can now safely consign this most insightful discussion to the annals of history. 
 
Its that time of year folks......Schools out for christmas!!!!!!!
 
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SCCOMarine       12/22/2008 3:59:50 PM

SAD selects its operators from the most elite units in the U.S. military such as the Navy's Special Warfare Development Group (especially, but not limited to, SEAL Team 6), the Army's 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (Delta Force, CAG), Special Forces (Green Berets), Rangers, and the Marine Corps' Force Reconnaissance detachments and MARSOC.

Its not just Force Reconnaissance & MARSOC Marines that SAD recruits fr/.  They actively recruit fr/ all Marine Unrestricted Ground Combat Arms & MAGTF Intelligence Officer Fields.
 
Most notably of a 'unknown' Field was Marine Capt. Johnny Micheal Spann who was an Artillery Officer & JTAC.  Who I believe, I'll have to check, served in ANGLICO before leaving the Marine Corps.
 
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