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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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yeter    Knowledge   8/30/2009 3:27:16 PM

I do love it when people say my countries sf are better than x countries sf and any one who disagrees is a nationalistic fan boy. oh the irony

 

As this thread has been revived are there any prizes for guessing school hols have started.

 

p.s

 

hello bob - havent noticed you on the board for a while


That word better,is all by itself also! Its a definer not a action....
 
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yeter    Thee problem   8/30/2009 3:29:40 PM

My dad can beat up your dad! ..... and i can p*ss higher than yoooo! :P


They are delusional! Anyone speaking for a war unit,and cannot stand politks or God,is a fool....
 
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yeter    Thee problem   8/30/2009 3:30:55 PM


SAS would be the equivalent of the Army Rangers. 



SAS is closer to Delta than Rangers.  Commandos are a closer "fit" to Rangers - even that .is skating close to the "definition wind"




In the scheme of things, it's all a bit silly trying to identify capabilities by similarity of mission set anyway. There are too many other variables. involved.




I wish this damn thread would die a natural death, it is becoming tedious.  esp on school holidays. 


Delta=SAS training with little bit of other stuff.....History books...
 
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yeter    Thee problem   8/30/2009 3:32:29 PM

You know you love this thread ;) Its fun to see what nonsence the kiddies have dreamt up on the playground.

 

Regarding US Army Ranger = Brit SAS.  Well my word, that really is an impressively ignorant understandign of these units and what they do..........oh but wait.....they both wear a "Sand" colored Beret so clearly there are indeed the same ;)



Is there really,an artillery Eng? I doubt it! Engineers aren't arty's.....
 
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yeter    Clearance please   8/30/2009 3:35:06 PM

I think its fair to say that SEALs and SBS are equal, and Delta and SAS are equal in terms of training and toughness. Although I think possibaly the Brits have the edge when it comes to fitness, All the way from regualr troops. Training is shared and doe together a hell of alot by US and UK specaial forces anyway.

The Royal Marine Commandos arn't specail forces as such but they don't half come close!. Even more so as they adapt for new types of warfare, them and the British Paras are about on par with the US Green Berets and Rangers.

The SBS would be my top SOF. They only recruit from the Royal Marine Commandos anyway, and thats tough enough.

By the way did anyone hear about the Royal Navy/Marines drug bust in the Carrabian. The Smugglers tried to out run the Lynx helecopter in a speed boat so two Royal Marine Snipers shot out the four engines on their boat with .50cal sniper rifles. Not an easy thing to shoot, a speed boats engines on a rough Sea from 300ft up in a chopper...
Oh and they caught all 4 of the smugglers, they had £200m worth of Cocain!

I hope,you have clearance for that! If not,drop it! OPsec/Persec....That secrets info....
 
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yeter    rucking   8/30/2009 3:37:50 PM

"but you definitely n eed strength in your legs to be able to carry a heavy load on your back for a long distance."

That is true, but it isn't nearly as important as lung power. So long as you can suck in the air, it doesn't matter too greatly if your legs feel weak, as all you need do is lean forwards as you march, and pick your feet up, and your momentum will keep you moving.



Knees,lower back,shoulders and neck! If one is messed up,=medic!or new MOS....
Thats how it goes....
 
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yeter    You   8/30/2009 3:40:03 PM

I repectfully beg to differ. Winning bids seem to be more oriented towards the political flavour of the month. I somewhat doubt that RO were lowest bid with the SA80.


You haven't won one! Then why keep writing on it? You should go and win one,yourself.....
Since it leads to:fraudism.....Since this isn't a magazine article....
 
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yeter    Not!   8/30/2009 3:41:56 PM

Mostly because SEALS like to die to much, they have such a terrible operational casualty rate....and no not entirely beacuse they get all the 'f*cked-up' missions..there is something inherent in NAVAL and MARINE ops that has its people die so gloriously..hmmm


They have the lowest rate of all! Sf,uses more people etc....Please go play in a hole....
Since you write:Like a mole!
 
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yeter    Such a?   8/30/2009 3:43:01 PM

>>Mostly because SEALS like to die to much, they have such a terrible operational casualty rate....and no not entirely beacuse they get all the 'f*cked-up' missions..there is something inherent in NAVAL and MARINE ops that has its people die so gloriously..hmmm<<

OK, well this proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

I guess you are saying that the SEALs, SBS, Komsubin, and German Combat Swimmers really enjoy dying. Maybe you should look at it like this: On Naval ops, you are probably going to be boarding a ship, clearing a oil platform, planting limpet mines, etc...and a heck of alot more can go wrong on these ops than on land. Think about it.

When boarding a clearing a ship, you have to worry about the fast roping onto a moving target (which the waves make the ship fluctuate and you could freakin' break your leg fast roping down onto one), you then have to worry about being stealthy and making sure the crew doesn't fire an RPG at you chopper...then you must clear the ship (talk about close quarters! It gives a whole new meaning to the word) which is much more dangerous then say, clearing a house...you must then exit the ship via helicopter and get the heck out.

When clearing an oil platform, you have to some how get onto it, usually by climbing by hand (if you fall you probably die, and if it is cold and ice is on the platform, then you are in serious trouble)...once you make it up, you have to be very stealthy (because if you are taking down an oil platform, their is probably heavy security) and set up a perimeter...then you must take the thing room by room, secure the hostages, and get out. This would be equal to Delta clearing the Embassy (maybe harder).

Limpet mines are probably the safest thing they do, but if your air runs out, you place the charge wrong it could blow up in your face, you have to worry about hitting the right target (or face your superiors...which you probably know can be worse than the enemy), etc.

Now to Marine Ops.

This is pretty simple, really. If you are tasked with taking an Island, then you are going to have to fight to the death...there is no place to retreat. You are probably going to be outnumbered, they are probably going to be entrenched, and you have limited air support (there is only so many harriers and F-18's availible).


 
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yeter    Immature!   8/30/2009 3:45:43 PM

>>Ok, time to settle down on something, I suggest we all go read Marcinko's Rogue Warrior (the autobiography not the stupid fiction he wrote later). You have to love that guy hes just so friggin funny, and hey he loves the SAS so we can all bask in the knowledge that Marcinko brings us together<<

True, excellent book. And for all of you who think the SEALs aren't professional, realize the Marcinko's regular SEAL platoon kick some USASOC tail...and his Devgru kicked some Kampfschwimmer (sorry, still don't know how to spell the unit) arse in exercises.

Talk about SF versatility...he kicked some combat swimmer (Kampfschwimmer) >and< landwarfare (SF) tail :)

Marcinko,was weak and a blasphemer of God and men/women! I would had serious trouble with him,If I served under him!
I will not tolerate such disrespect of persons....
 
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