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Subject: SEAL team 6
GOP    10/2/2005 9:22:42 PM
I do not know much about SEAL team 6, other than it is a SEAL team which specializes in CT operations. My question is this: Why does the Navy need a Counter-Terrorist capability? All SEAL teams are capable of hostage rescue, and the only situations that will warrant a SEAL team in CT would be a hostage situation on a cruise ship, and all SEAL teams train for this. Delta is primarily made for CT/hostage rescue, and are very capable of fast roping out of a helicopter onto a cruise ship, so why the need for SEAL team 6? I am not an expert at all on this, but it just seems to me to be a way for the Navy to get into the action in the War on Terrorism
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:SEAL team 6 - Naval Special Warfare Development Group (NSWDG) a/k/a: Dev Group, DEVGRU    10/2/2005 9:28:29 PM
Not sure where the info in this site comes from but seems on the surface a pretty good http://www.terrorism101.org/counter/UnitedStates.html
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:SEAL team 6   10/3/2005 11:31:49 AM
>>I do not know much about SEAL team 6, other than it is a SEAL team which specializes in CT operations. My question is this: Why does the Navy need a Counter-Terrorist capability? All SEAL teams are capable of hostage rescue, and the only situations that will warrant a SEAL team in CT would be a hostage situation on a cruise ship, and all SEAL teams train for this. Delta is primarily made for CT/hostage rescue, and are very capable of fast roping out of a helicopter onto a cruise ship, so why the need for SEAL team 6?<< A pretty good question. In practice, current operations seem to focus on the notion that ST 6 and Delta are interchangeable, and, more generally SEAL Teams can fill in for Army SOF assets. In reality, this has not tended to work out well. I'd recommend Sean Naylor's "Not a Good Day to Die: The Untold Story of Operation Anaconda" for a pretty good look into the Delta/SEAL relationship, among other things. >>I am not an expert at all on this, but it just seems to me to be a way for the Navy to get into the action in the War on Terrorism << It was actually a way for the Navy to get into the counter-terrorism business back during the Reagan years. SEAL Team 6 or whatever they are calling themselves this week have been around for quite some time.
 
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GOP    RE:SEAL team 6   10/4/2005 10:53:52 PM
>"In practice, current operations seem to focus on the notion that ST 6 and Delta are interchangeable, and, more generally SEAL Teams can fill in for Army SOF assets."< If they basically have the same skill set as Delta, then why do we need them? Every SOF unit has a specific place in the SOF world, they all have different TOE's, etc. Navy SEALs are divers and then land warriors, Delta is CT only. I just don't see the need for SEAL team 6, I think they should be re-classified with another mission.
 
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EW3    RE:SEAL team 6 - GOP   10/4/2005 11:05:14 PM
Ever been on a ship? It is a very different environment than a regular building. It's actually fun to watch the first timers move through a ship. There are no stairs as you know them, they are very steep. Finding your way around a ship in the dark can be pretty difficult. They provide a hostage rescue team and a CT capability which is designed to work in a unique environment.
 
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moughoun1    RE:SEAL team 6 - GOP   10/5/2005 2:06:11 PM
EW3 is right, ct/hr on a ship is a difficult art, they practice it most, they also carry out other functions land side, beyond what a "normal" SEAL team do, also CAG is not just for CT Gop.......they do other stuff
 
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GOP    RE:SEAL team 6   10/6/2005 7:17:56 PM
How do you get chosen for SEAL team 6? Are you selected, or do you volunteer? If it is somewhat like Delta, then I might need to study it more closely
 
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moughoun1    RE:SEAL team 6   10/6/2005 11:44:54 PM
they look for exceptional SEAL's who they then ask to join although during the training course if the guy just doesn't click with it, he's told and RTU'd.............but that will not go in his record, he's a good SEAL, just not the one they need, no harm no foul......some guy's can do great stuff in combat swmming, SR, DA ect in a regular SEAL team, but they just might not fit right with some of the paramilitary stuff DEVGRU does
 
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EW3    RE:SEAL team 6   10/6/2005 11:59:34 PM
"but that will not go in his record, he's a good SEAL, just not the one they need, no harm no foul" well said. My guess is they are looking for specific mental qualities rather than physical capabilities. Hostage work requires patience, patience, patience. Most SEALS are very agressive by nature. They are very smart, but they are agressive. My guess is the screening process is to get agressive people that can be patient, which is usually an oxymoron. Looking for that 1 in 1000 from a group that is already 1 in 1000.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:SEAL team 6   10/17/2005 8:00:50 PM
>>If they basically have the same skill set as Delta, then why do we need them? Every SOF unit has a specific place in the SOF world, they all have different TOE's, etc. Navy SEALs are divers and then land warriors, Delta is CT only. I just don't see the need for SEAL team 6, I think they should be re-classified with another mission. << That isn't how it works in the real world. The real world situation is that the US military develops a range of capabilities/units, some with redundant capabilities (i.e. ST 6 can do some stuff Delta can do, vice versa; Rangers can do some stuff Marine MEU(SOC)s can do, vice versa; 160th SOAR can do some stuff AFSOC can do, vice versa). Then we get a conflict. Military politics are that people who are important to the fight get funding, people who are not so involved get deprioritized. So the GWOT kicks off on 9/11 and SEAL Team 6 and the rest of Navy Special Warfare units are looking for work (like everyone else -- they want in the game because its game time and some dirt worshipping savages need smiting, not just because of interservice politics). So ST 6 and other SEAL units and the rest of NAVSPECWAR start politicking to get into the game, and they get some missions that may be better handed off to Delta, or the Rangers (i.e. SEALs, Panama, Air Field "seizure" mission . . .), etc. Sometimes they end up doing things they don't really have any business doing, either from enthusiasm for getting into the fight or from a need to justify their budget, and sometimes things consequently go very wrong. Which is not to say that the Navy or NAVSPECWAR has a lock on such things, all the services do it, both their conventional and special ops branches. And if Al Qaeda only operated off cruise ships, I guarantee you that US Army Special Operations Command would be slinging guys through scuba school like there was no tomorrow.
 
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GOP       8/28/2008 10:43:34 PM



they look for exceptional SEAL's who they then ask to join although during the training course if the guy just doesn't click with it, he's told and RTU'd.............but that will not go in his record, he's a good SEAL, just not the one they need, no harm no foul......some guy's can do great stuff in combat swmming, SR, DA ect in a regular SEAL team, but they just might not fit right with some of the paramilitary stuff DEVGRU does





   You type a civilian no experience post every time.Therefore where did you get that writing ability

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You do realize that the guy you are bad mouthing is extremely experienced on these things...Im not going into details, because those are his...but the guy is, almost certainly, far more experienced then you in special operations.
 
Cviilian no experience post? Get off of it dude. The Military is not some super duper secretive thing at most levels. Heck, alot of my good friends are in the military. I have trained with dozens of guys in the military, even some in SOF units. One was dumb as heck. Let's quit the civilian bashing here. You 'may' have been in BUD/S 234, great (no idea if you made it or not). Just know that alot of SEAL's don't share your opinions on things AT ALL. They also do not sit around SP in the commando's forum bringing up 2-3 year old posts and arguing with fellow SOF guys.
 
 
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