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Subject: Top notch SWAT units?
GOP    9/23/2007 10:13:22 PM
Whatsup guys? Anyway, we have a ton of info on great military SOF units, but I was just curious as to what Police Dept/Sherriff Dept SWAT units are considered top notch? Now, this is certainly no comparison as I hate those, or a ranking in any way. Just a listing of top notch SWAT units or info on excellent SWAT units throughout the country (obviously referring to the US, but if you know of any great ones in your country then feel free to add them). Honestly Just trying to get a feel for what options I have (as far as locations, etc), as Im still unsure on my career goals. I have heard excellent things of MDPD SWAT, LAPD SWAT, Dallas SWAT, and Las Vegas SWAT.
 
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Nichevo       9/24/2007 12:20:40 AM
I would like to know what your research tells you about NYPD's ESU; but since that is an umbrella unit whose work is not entirely HSLD (some aviation, rescue, etc. as well), maybe TF-Hercules or -Atlas is more your meat?
 
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GOP       9/24/2007 12:45:31 AM
maybe TF-Hercules or -Atlas is more your meat

Dude, what's is that supposed to mean?
 
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Nichevo       9/24/2007 2:13:31 AM
Task Force Hercules, and I believe, Atlas are dedicated post-9/11 CT units within NYPD ESU.  Which, I was thinking, might be more your style ("your meat") than oh maybe river police, which is another detail that ESU gets. 

D00d, lighten up, honest, my every sentence is not a hidden VBIED (Verbally Borne Insult Expressing Device)

 
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GOP       9/24/2007 8:53:49 AM

Task Force Hercules, and I believe, Atlas are dedicated post-9/11 CT units within NYPD ESU.  Which, I was thinking, might be more your style ("your meat") than oh maybe river police, which is another detail that ESU gets. 

D00d, lighten up, honest, my every sentence is not a hidden VBIED (Verbally Borne Insult Expressing Device)


Ah, makes sense. I personally do not care much about getting on a specialized HSLD unit within a SWAT unit right yet, as I have a loooong way to go before I'm even eligible to join a PD (I'm a highschool Senior this year and start/finish college). Got any links or info on this unit? 
I wasn't sure if that was a personal attack or not, I know so little about NYPD ESU that I was not aware of these units.
 
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olive-greens       9/24/2007 11:16:45 AM

Whatsup guys? Anyway, we have a ton of info on great military SOF units, but I was just curious as to what Police Dept/Sherriff Dept SWAT units are considered top notch? Now, this is certainly no comparison as I hate those, or a ranking in any way. Just a listing of top notch SWAT units or info on excellent SWAT units throughout the country (obviously referring to the US, but if you know of any great ones in your country then feel free to add them). Honestly Just trying to get a feel for what options I have (as far as locations, etc), as Im still unsure on my career goals.

I have heard excellent things of MDPD SWAT, LAPD SWAT, Dallas SWAT, and Las Vegas SWAT.

Wonder what you would consider FBI's HRT and in-house intervention team? The FBI's units and GIGN are the gotoguys if you wish to set-up a counter-terrorist force that acts with police-like considerations, if your country has good relations with US and France.
 
India's National Security Guards is based on an entirely different concept, but heavily influenced by both GIGN and FBI. It is basically divided into two groups - the Special Assault Group and the Special Ranger Group. The SAG is composed of military personnel on a limited-term detachment to the Home Ministry; it is more proficient in weaponry and tactics of the two. The SRG is composed of personnel detached from central police organizations (like Border Security Force); it is more skilled in investigations, perimeter security, pursuit, and interfaces with other local and central police forces in handling the pre- and post-assault phases.
 
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Nichevo       9/24/2007 3:53:37 PM



Task Force Hercules, and I believe, Atlas are dedicated post-9/11 CT units within NYPD ESU.  Which, I was thinking, might be more your style ("your meat") than oh maybe river police, which is another detail that ESU gets. 

D00d, lighten up, honest, my every sentence is not a hidden VBIED (Verbally Borne Insult Expressing Device)



Ah, makes sense. I personally do not care much about getting on a specialized HSLD unit within a SWAT unit right yet, as I have a loooong way to go before I'm even eligible to join a PD (I'm a highschool Senior this year and start/finish college). Got any links or info on this unit? 

I wasn't sure if that was a personal attack or not, I know so little about NYPD ESU that I was not aware of these units.

Well, ESU would offer you a LOT of variety and a LOT of challenge.  (BTW though I was wrong earlier, aviation is a separate unit.)
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Emergency Service Division - Squad Trucks
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ESD - ESU
Celebrating 75 Years of Service
April 10, 1930 - April 10, 2005

The EMERGENCY SERVICE DIVISION . . .

started as a riot control unit in 1930, it evolved into a highly trained and experienced rescue unit by the 1960's.
Today ESU (the Emergency Service Unit) does it all- from rescue
and bomb handling to barricade and hostage situations to dealing with the threat of terrorism. Nobody does it better.



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NYPD EMERGENCY SERVICE UNIT
"At Your Service... Anything, Anytime, Anywhere!"

 

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One of Ten NYPD ESU Heavy Rescue Trucks, photo courtesy of ESU

The fire service is not the only organization to provide motor vehicle extrication. The Emergency Service Unit of the NYPD is just one of many organizations providing a dual role of law enforcement and rescue operations. Their training is one of the best in the country and personal qualifications are very high to enter into the unit.

ESU Mission
The Mission of the Emergency Service Unit is to provide specialized support to all units within the New York Police Department. This is accomplished through the assignment of highly trained personnel and the utilization of specialized equipment. Each officer is trained to utilize various types of equipment and weapons to perform a myriad of tasks efficiently and effectively in support of all department initiatives and directives.

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longrifle       9/24/2007 8:56:25 PM
Besides the larger U.S. cities most federal agencies have full time tactical units.  The FBI HRT is the best known, of course, but there's also the U.S. Marshal's Service Special Operations Group and the Border Patrol's BORTAC unit.  I don't know what the ATF calls their tactical unit but it became well known in Waco that they have a team.  The DEA has done a lot of tactical operations in Central and South America and they're working with Afghan police on the poppy problem in Afghanistan now.
 
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GOP       9/26/2007 9:24:20 AM

Besides the larger U.S. cities most federal agencies have full time tactical units.  The FBI HRT is the best known, of course, but there's also the U.S. Marshal's Service Special Operations Group and the Border Patrol's BORTAC unit.  I don't know what the ATF calls their tactical unit but it became well known in Waco that they have a team.  The DEA has done a lot of tactical operations in Central and South America and they're working with Afghan police on the poppy problem in Afghanistan now.

Yeah, I know a little about HRT and ATF SRT,  but I was really looking more to individual cities more than federal units.
 
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ChdNorm       9/26/2007 4:26:57 PM
Based solely on reputations and second hand information ...
 
San Antonio's SWAT unit is supposed to be top tier. There is more than a little bit of rivalry between the DPD tactical division and SAPDs. So if DPD makes it ... I'd have to guess SAPD should too.
 
Tulsa PD's SWAT is also supposed to be top notch (as is TPD on the whole). I don't know if they're full time or not though.
 
Houston PD's reputation is pretty bad all the way around, and definitely well deserved.
 
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Nichevo       9/26/2007 5:04:05 PM

Houston PD's reputation is pretty bad all the way around, and definitely well deserved.


As in ungood, or as in bada$$?
 
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