What would happen if China decided to invade Siberia and take its resources?

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Subject: What would happen if China decided to invade Siberia and take its resources?
pro-military 2/13/2010 2:36:11 PM

Would the Russians be able beat them? Would the US, Canada, or some sort of Nato like alliance join Russia just to prevent China from having all of those resources and become an even bigger threat then it is now? Would the US even have the ability to significantly help Russia? You can tell I am Tom Clancy fan right? haha. What TC's books couldn't take into account though is all the conflicts the US is in now, our global war against radical islam, and the fact that Jack Ryan aint our C&C. So, What would happen and would China be stopped?

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Patton 12/21/2010 12:07:00 PM

You're hanging too far out there bud, but I will say this... Prior to 1990 China and Russia used to exchange arty fire over the Amur River, which is the border separating the two. the former USSR had 50 nuclear armed divisions under the Far-East Command and China had an entire Group Army deployed. This should give you some idea of what reality is and isnt. Right now, Russia still has 217 divisions 194 of which are active. A Russian Motor Rifle Division isnt what it used to be, but it is still effective with the old conventional doctrine. Problem is, Russia has its terror incidents too and is transforming much like the U.S. military has done. China is not so much interested in Siberian oil anymore because it is being supplied by Venezuela. Moreover, this country WOULD NOT help Russia if it became embroiled with China as the latter holds over 2-trillion in U.S. debt. So no, the U.S. wouldnt be able to help Russia unless it was suddenly interested in committing economic suicide. Clancy never took these things into fictional account either. :)

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chesehead 12/21/2010 5:41:31 PM

Depends on the Russian commander and how smart he is. The chinese only have a limited amount of time before winter sets in and they are forced to stop offensive actions. If the commander is smart, he can trade space for time and fight a delaying action till more forces from the East arrive. Back in the Cold war, Russia had a lot more active artillary weapons and their stuff was modern and well trained. Right now, a lot is in researve and not combat ready, or just old. Last ditched scenario involved nukes and a lot of dead chinese soldiers. Russia wouldn't care as much as there are few people living in Siberia and lighting off a couple of nukes won't damage them as bad as it would help them.

Some NATO countries might get involved, becouse Russia is still one of Europe's biggest natural gas source and that might convince a couple countries to join in.

US won't publicaly get involved, but I wouldn't be surprised if supply tibits of information here and there. We have the ability to help them, but I don't even know if they would want our help becouse they might find it demeaning to national pride.

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newjarheaddean its the have against the have not 2/10/2011 6:14:46 PM

AHOY,

pro-military keep thinking out of the box, that's a good thing, however.

If the U.S. has taught the world anything with all its military muscle flicking, IMO that would be that no military can invade and control any nation or part of a nation. China might be able to some what control parts of Taiwan if they invaded.

However I have mentioned before that IMO the Russians should sale, lease or give eastern Siberia to the Chinese, thus putting them right on the U.S. boarder. Not that China could invade, it would just separate Russia and U.S.

Ultimately I see the BRIIC Axes forming that is Brazil, Russia, India, Israel and China strategically seeing things more and more the same. And that Alliance would be the worst case scenario for the west. Especially if Europe chose not to fallow the U.S. down that road.

And old tom Clancy never told you about the five Mississippi class rivers running off of the Tibet plateau that China could threaten to poison thus control all of south east Asia did he. No I did. IMO that was why they took it over not to run some little religious group off.

"I well bet my lucky star"

G-day!

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phead128 6/1/2011 11:23:51 PM

China's northeastern provinces hold about 100 million Chinese, compared to the Russia Far East, which probably has less than 7 million people dispersed in an area 5 times the size of Western Europe or twice the size of the U.S. mainland.

Since the majority of Russia's population live in the Eastern part of Russia, approximately 80-90 million people West of the Ural mountains, I find it difficult for Russia to hold onto Siberia should the Chinese wish to retake it. Tsarist Cossacks took large swaths of Outer Manchuria from the Chinese under the Treaty of Aigun in the late 19th century, so Chinese still consider large parts of Siberia to be "temporary" given up land.

Siberia is Russia's so long as China lacks the desire to retake it. This wasn't true 10 years ago, but China is rapidly modernizing it's economy, industrial base, and military.

U.S. would not intervene, China holds some $1.2 trillion dollars of U.S. debt, unless America wants to engage in economic suicide, then yes, restart Lend-lease with Russia.

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VORTEX. 6/15/2014 2:46:38 PM

"Patton" wrote : (Referrence to Great Sino-Russo War) : This should give you some idea of what reality is and isnt. ! "This should give some idea what reality is and isn't" .... problem is also what if we aided one or the other and then the team we aided AGAINST won ??? They ain't our trading partner any longer for sure !!!!!!! Other problem : if !!!!!!! THE F***ING CONFLICT SPREAD TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA SOIL !!!!!!!!

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VORTEX. 6/15/2014 2:50:51 PM

BTW I thought of this in 2003 so these people are not "stupid idiots" at all etc.....

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germanicus migration v. war 6/27/2017 8:11:49 AM

Aren't a lot of Chinese slowly migrating north into parts of Siberia? Seems like a cheap China stategy is to encourage more Chinese to head north.

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