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Subject: Brits launch shoot-to-kill ops / Baghdad strategy targets terror leaders.
The Lizard King    10/8/2008 6:40:43 AM
LONDON -- Specialist agents for Britain's MI6 intelligence service, trained to pose as Muslim extremists, are leading two hand-picked SAS units to seek and destroy a secret bomb-making factory in Baghdad, according to a report from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin. Their first major success came last weekend when sharpshooters shot and killed Mahir Ahmad Mahmud Judu al-Zubaydi near his hideout in Baghdad's Adhamiya suburb. The MI6 agents had identified him as the deputy commander of al-Qaida in the city and the mastermind behind a series of recent bombings. He died as he was on his way to a local mosque for Friday prayers. "His removal will send shock waves through Baghdad's terrorist networks," said coalition spokesman Rear Admiral Patrick Driscoll. Al-Zubaydi had been hunted for two years since he appeared on a video recording showing him shooting dead a Russian diplomat in the city. He was at the top of the SAS target list for having been credited with killing over 300 men, women and children with his bombs. The MI6 agents are fluent in the local languages and live outside the highly protected Green Zone, moving from one hideout to another in the hostile Sunni Muslim areas of the city. Their work is described as "the most dangerous of all the undercover operations in Iraq. Their prime targets are to not only destroy the factory, but to discover the terrorist cells where the bombers wait to strike," confirmed a senior intelligence officer in London. Days before they had tracked down al-Zubaydi, the MI6 agents had established he was responsible for last month's killing of 35 civilians and injuring more than 100 others through roadside bombs created in the secret factory. Bomb and casing fragments showed the explosives originally came from Iran -- and may possibly have been smuggled into the country with the knowledge of Iranian diplomats. Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin is the premium, online intelligence news source edited and published by the founder of WND.
 
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flamingknives       10/8/2008 5:19:47 PM
Shoot-to-kill?

As opposed to what? Shoot-to-tickle?
 
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The Lizard King       10/9/2008 7:45:32 AM

Well knowing British Rules of Engagement, it would not surprise me...

 
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FJV    Strange   10/9/2008 3:23:08 PM
Haven't they be doing this for some years now?
 
 
 

 
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sofa       10/21/2008 7:05:30 AM
brits famous for targetted assasination of local leaders in scotland and US during 1700s.
 
yet wikipedia focusses on US examples, "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination"
 
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Assassination for military purposes has long been espoused - Sun Tzu, writing around 500 B.C., argued in favor of using assassination in his book The Art of War. Nearly 2000 years later Machiavelli also argued assassination could be useful in his book The Prince. In medieval times, an army and even a nation might be based upon and around a particularly strong, canny or charismatic leader, whose loss could paralyze the ability of both to make war. However, in modern warfare a soldier's mindset is generally considered to surround ideals far more than specific leaders, while command structures are more flexible in replacing officer losses. While the death of a popular or successful leader often has a detrimental effect on morale, the organisational system and the belief in a specific cause is usually strong enough to enable continued warfare.

There is also the risk that the target could be replaced by an even more competent leader or that such a killing (or a failed attempt) will "martyr" a leader and support his cause (by showing the moral ruthlessness of the assassins). Faced with particularly brilliant leaders, this possibility has in various instances been risked, such as in the attempts to kill the Athenian Alcibiades during the Peloponnesian War. There are a number of additional examples from World War II which show how assassination was used as a military tool at both tactical and strategic levels:

  • The American interception of Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's airplane during World War II, after his travel route had been decrypted.
  • The American perception that Skorzeny's commandos were planning to assassinate Eisenhower during the Battle of the Bulge played havoc with Eisenhower's personal plans for some time, though it did not affect the battle itself. Skorzeny later denied in an interview with The New York Times[citation needed] that he had ever intended to assassinate Eisenhower during Operation Greif and he said that he could prove it.[16]
  • There was a planned British commando raid to capture or kill the German General Erwin Rommel (also known as "The Desert Fox").[16]

Use of assassination has continued in more recent conflicts:

  • During the Vietnam War, partly in response to Viet Cong assassinations of government leaders, the USA engaged in the Phoenix Program to assassinate Viet Cong leaders and sympathizers, and killed between 6,000 and 41,000 persons, with official 'targets' of 1,800 per month.
 
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sofa    other recent effective use of embedded operatives    10/21/2008 7:08:39 AM
 
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Defining Collusion
In the context of the north of Ireland the term collusion has come to embrace a number of illegal activities on the part of the British forces the British army, the RUC and the intelligence services. These include:
  • Conspiring with loyalist paramilitaries to carry out assassinations;

  • taking part in assassinations;

  • collecting information on individuals and passing it over to loyalist paramilitaries;

  • passing officially collected information to loyalist paramilitaries for legitimate purposes;

  • failing to prevent loyalist paramilitary assassinations;

  • providing weapons to loyalist paramilitaries;

  • running British intelligence agents involved in illegal loyalist paramilitary activities up to the most senior levels;

  • assisting in the commission of killings by loyalist paramilitaries, for example, by lifting road-blocks;
  • failing to investigate such killings rigorously;

  • failing to inform individuals that they have been targeted for assassination;

  • failing to provide individuals targeted for assassination with the nature of their personal details in the hands of loyalist paramilitaries;

  • failing to share information with other sections of the British forces which should result in an individual being warned that they were being targeted for assassination.

  • Various organs of the British state, such as the Attorney General, the Director of Public Prosecutions and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, have:

  • failed to prosecute those responsible for such killings;

  • failed to prosecute or otherwise discipline those members of the British forces involved in collusion;

  • used Public Interest Immunity certificates and claims at trials and inquests to withhold information concerning alleged collusion;

  • allowed members of the British forces to carry illegal acts, whether in conspiracy with loyalist paramilitaries or not, with impunity and hindering official investigations of those acts.


 
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sofa    shoot to kill   10/21/2008 7:13:41 AM
 
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Shoot-to-Kill

Shoot-to-Killhttp://www.relativesforjustice.com/uploads/prod/16s.jpg" width="150" align="left" /> Ardoyne families fighting for justice 23 years on from SAS ambush
Anthony Neeson speaks to three families about their quest for justice

When the families of murdered IRA men Dinny Brown, Jackie Mailey and Jim Mulvenna went to identify their bodies, each was shown the other two's riddled corps by the RUC before the body of their loved one.

Dinny's family were shown the bodies of Jackie and Jim first, after both had already been identified. When Jim's grieving partner asked why his body was soaking wet, a sniggering RUC man replied, "you'd be wet if you'd been lying out all night."

Twenty-two years on from their murder on June 21 1978, the families of the three Ardoyne men are demanding that the British Government admit finally that hey were cut down in cold blood and that the SAS and RUC, who were lying in wait, knew that they were unarmed and could easily have been arrested.

On the night they were killed the three lifelong friends walked unwittingly into an SAS trap when they entered an unoccupied post office depot on the Ballysillan Road with a number of unprimed incendiaries. The three IRA men were met with a hail of machinegun fire, while a fourth member in a nearby getaway car made good his escape. William Hanna, a Protestant, who was walking in the vicinity with a friend, was also targeted in the kill-zone and was shot dead.

Six months ago the families of the three men succeeded in finally getting the papers from the inquests into their murder. It was while reading through the documents that they finally decided it was time to get to the bottom of just what happened on that night in June.

"We never realised what they went through until we read the inquest papers," explains Geraldine Keenan, sister of Dinny Brown. "We knew they were riddled, but when you actually sit down and read about what they actually did to someone belonging to you we were in shock.

"They were shown no mercy whatsoever. The three of them were unarmed, one was carrying unprimed incendiaries. The post office was unoccupied so there was no threat to life and they could have been arrested. In the inquest papers it said that the SAS went over to two of them, and they were still moving on the ground - this is after having been initially shot - and they finished two of them off. If that's not murder, what is?"

 
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sofa    imho   10/21/2008 7:20:40 AM
posted links above for historical perspective.
 
Personally, I find it effective to target the bad guys upper and middle management, Better than carpet bombing, or say a "depopulation of the Highlands".  Just another tool to be used as situation dictate.
 
Here's news: Hugging your enemy doesn't work. Sometime you need to kill the bastards.
Do you want to win, or not.
 
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jastayme3       11/12/2008 1:12:50 PM

 Er, an someone is sueing because an IRA man got assasinated? Isn't that kind of like a coyote sueing the shepherd?
 
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theBird       12/3/2008 4:23:28 PM

from "http://www.relativesforjustice.com/?pid=16" " target="_blank">link
 

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Shoot-to-Kill









Shoot-to-Killhttp://www.relativesforjustice.com/uploads/prod/16s.jpg" width="150" align="left" /> Ardoyne families fighting for justice 23 years on from SAS ambush

Anthony Neeson speaks to three families about their quest for justice



When the families of murdered IRA men Dinny Brown, Jackie Mailey and Jim Mulvenna went to identify their bodies, each was shown the other two's riddled corps by the RUC before the body of their loved one.



Dinny's family were shown the bodies of Jackie and Jim first, after both had already been identified. When Jim's grieving partner asked why his body was soaking wet, a sniggering RUC man replied, "you'd be wet if you'd been lying out all night."



Twenty-two years on from their murder on June 21 1978, the families of the three Ardoyne men are demanding that the British Government admit finally that hey were cut down in cold blood and that the SAS and RUC, who were lying in wait, knew that they were unarmed and could easily have been arrested.



On the night they were killed the three lifelong friends walked unwittingly into an SAS trap when they entered an unoccupied post office depot on the Ballysillan Road with a number of unprimed incendiaries. The three IRA men were met with a hail of machinegun fire, while a fourth member in a nearby getaway car made good his escape. William Hanna, a Protestant, who was walking in the vicinity with a friend, was also targeted in the kill-zone and was shot dead.



Six months ago the families of the three men succeeded in finally getting the papers from the inquests into their murder. It was while reading through the documents that they finally decided it was time to get to the bottom of just what happened on that night in June.



"We never realised what they went through until we read the inquest papers," explains Geraldine Keenan, sister of Dinny Brown. "We knew they were riddled, but when you actually sit down and read about what they actually did to someone belonging to you we were in shock.



"They were shown no mercy whatsoever. The three of them were unarmed, one was carrying unprimed incendiaries. The post office was unoccupied so there was no threat to life and they could have been arrested. In the inquest papers it said that the SAS went over to two of them, and they were still moving on the ground - this is after having been initially shot - and they finished two of them off. If that's not murder, what is?"







 
Darn those SAS men could have simply arrested those "unarmed" IRA men (or as unarmed as you can be with a pocket full of incendiaries) this way they would have been kept for a few months in prison until they could be released in the next "ceasefire" and then arrested again several more months later when the IRA decided to cancel the ceasefire.  After setting of a string of carbombs of course!
 
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flamingknives       12/3/2008 4:58:39 PM
Can someone remind me how much mercy was shown by the IRA to all the people they murdered and mutilated over the years?

Were the people those incendiaries were meant for going to be given a chance?
 
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