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This is a horrifying incident which signifies the danger of civilian ownership of firearms in the UK. It is obvious that guns are the source of violence in the UK, and even the peaceful cab driver can turn into homicidal maniac with mere possession of firearms. We don't know how many of those psychologically dangerous people are around, and don't know how many of them are in possession of firearms, legally or not.

The solution is simple. Just ban possession of all breech-loading firearm for civilians. And also ban muzzle loaders capable of more than one shot per load. Hunters can still use traps and English longbow. Airguns are still allowed for sports competitors until some arsehole decide to abuse it.

Citizens of the UK are simply too dangerous to be trusted with guns.

I get your being sarcastic, but I don't understand the point of your tone.  The article said nothing about guns or banning them in general.  It gives the facts: cabbie flipped out shot and killed/wounded a good number of people.  Whats with all the angst already?

No one writes about it because guns are already tightly controlled in the UK. They are still in shock that such horrible incident could happen after years of effort to rid violent inclination out of general population. What they should be doing is writing to advocate banning all practical firearms in the UK, which they will after they find a politically correct spin. After all, hunting is not an execuse for possessing of firearms. It should be deemed as barbaric and savage custom from uncivilized past, which has no place in modern, civilized Britain. Self-defense is certainly not an execuse for possessing of firearms in the UK. The use of firearms in self-defense is always unreasonable due to it's disproportionate nature, if succeed, and uselessness, if failed, in stopping a crime. Even actions against a crime in progress doesn't make much sense, since one stands much better chance to survive a crime by surrender and cooperation with the criminal, even when the criminal threatens and poses to kill him/her, according to the police.

 

Today a cabbie flipped, tomorrow it could be a forum poster who is frequent on a military/hobbyist forum located in the US. You just don't know, and you can't say it won't happen. Thus, all UK citizens should be banned from possesssing firearms for the greater good of the society.

 

The choice of the link is based on its degree of sensationalism, which I prefer over elitist Telegraph and leftist Guardian. Bigger pictures and title captions also help people to read. 

You're an idiot.

 

Look at the # of people per 000 murdered in the US through gun related crime and then look at the UK. 

 

Hardly compares does it?

 

Whatever peoples "rights" to bare arms, the simple fact is there is a correlation between guns being widely available in society and people being shot.  I for one would rathe live in a country where, should someone have some sort of breakdown, the most potent weapon they can lay there hands on os a knife.  And before you start some ideological political argument, I'm not some leftest, liberal.  I just prefer the streets of my home town not infested with deadly weapons. 

You are so wrong on knives. Knives are such deadly dangerous tools, especially long, sharp knives. Those should also be banned with guns from UK citizens. According to British Medical Journal, May 2005, those knives should be banned from public for their own good: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7502/1221

 

Just look at Rwanda. In 1994, most of the 800,000+ murder victims were slained by poor young males with machete. That itself should be enough as justification for total large knife ban in the UK.

 

I fully support such action to ban all sharp knives longer than 2" from civilian ownership in the UK.

 

And the axe. Axe must be licensed for possession, and only "professionals" such as firefighters, loggers and certified workers are allowed to handle those sharp and destructive tools.

 

Baseball bats should also be banned. After all, UK is a cricket country, thus baseball bats have no purpose of existence there other than serving as crime tools. Anyone caught carrying or possessing one must have criminal intention. Ban them all!

 

And don't forget those military shovels. Those can be sharpened, too. Ban them to protect the people!!!

 

See, there are so many other things should be banned, and you are just half arsed on the issue. Banning guns are not enough. You need to ban or put control on all dangerous items in order to protect people from themselves. The most important duty of a government is to protect its people, so there should be no excuse not to conduct such draconian measure in order to put people under control from harming themselves.

 

According to mainstream media, people who are not leftist liberal progressive pro-Islamic communist must be right-wing fundamentalist Christian Nazi racist white-supremacist capitalist fat cat pig anti-revolutionary Mormon male Bush-supporting warmongering nutjob. You don't look like one of those pesky right-wing nutjob to me.

ok, I'm with you on the Baseball bat thing.  Pointless game.  It's actually called "Rounders" here but only girls under the age of 10 play it.    :-)

 

I just don't understand why anyone other than a farmer needs to own a gun.

Blasphemy!!!

 

Britons were farming way before the invention of this man-made scourge to citizens of the UK. They didn't have guns and they still farm. UK Farmers don't need no guns. Take their guns away to protect them!!!

 

Farmers from other parts of the world, especially in the US, where ranchers got murdered by illegal Mexican alien drug traffickers, still need guns. But not for UK farmers. What? You want them to behave like Tony Martin?

Trolling away as usual ? If you detest the UK so much, why not hang around on some other national boards? As usual, the sysops aren't going to do anything to stop your pointless trolling, not even when it's involving a national tragedy.

 

 

Now supporting tougher gun control measure in the UK is trolling. Sorry, but, trolling is not about agitating on the difference of an issue. Trolling is to create a flaming war consists of nothing other than exchange of insults. Sarcasm that discomforts you may be funny to the other.

 

 I do quite disagree with David Cameron on guns. Gun ownership in the UK is a government granted privilege, not a right. Sort of like driving. Since citizens owning guns is posing as clear danger to safety and security of citizens, the UK government should jump in the end gun ownership once and for all.

 

I guarantee you that my proposal will prevent tragedy like this from ever happening again, at least not with legal guns.

 

If you have nothing to say on the issue, please don't reply.

While it's certainly true significant numbers of Americans are killed or injured every year with guns there are societies with wide spread gun ownerships with far lower rates of gun related crime.  In fact there are still nations where adult males are required to keep their military issue assault rifle at home.

 

It's also worth considering that banning guns is not cost free.  Many other crime rates have been seen to increase in nations that have banned guns including home burglary, rape, and crimes with knives.  A society may decide banning civilian gun ownership is best for it but it's not an entirely a one sided equation.

 

There are various factors that contribute to the level of violence in society.  Violent societies without guns tend to use other weapons.  Societies with low levels of violence are not seriously impacted by what weapons are available.  Banning guns is not a panacea and it does not itself lower levels of crime but merely alters various crime rates.

Whatever peoples "rights" to bare arms, the simple fact is there is a correlation between guns being widely available in society and people being shot. 

Well, seeing as how we're in the process of burying a number of my countrymen, you'll perhaps forgive me for not seeing the funny side of your deliberate, inflammatory and persistent attempts to troll the forums regarding your opinions on the UK.

Are you from the US and being obtuse, or from some other country and trying to stir up a flaming session between the two countries?

You are simply trying to start an exchange of insults, that much is obvious - if you were from the US then you'd keep your mouth shut on the issue as you'd be well aware of numerous mass shootings in that country and not feel perhaps able to be so insulting.

If you were supporting gun control measures in the UK then by definition you'd support them in every other country as I don't know of any that haven't shared this sort of tragedy. I know you don't and that you're just trolling for a reaction. 

Again, if this board had anything like an effective set of moderators, you'd be banned for this sort of behaviour,

 

Ian

 

Now supporting tougher gun control measure in the UK is trolling. Sorry, but, trolling is not about agitating on the difference of an issue. Trolling is to create a flaming war consists of nothing other than exchange of insults. Sarcasm that discomforts you may be funny to the other.