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Subject: Crime Rate in Scotland-Times Online
JIMF    9/19/2005 8:30:37 PM
I'm reluctant to give credence to anything put out by the United Nations can the British contingent provide some insight. Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries By Katrina Tweedie A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America. England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest. The study, based on telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries, found that more than 2,000 Scots were attacked every week, almost ten times the official police figures. They include non-sexual crimes of violence and serious assaults. Violent crime has doubled in Scotland over the past 20 years and levels, per head of population, are now comparable with cities such as Rio de Janeiro, Johannesburg and Tbilisi. The attacks have been fuelled by a “booze and blades” culture in the west of Scotland which has claimed more than 160 lives over the past five years. Since January there have been 13 murders, 145 attempted murders and 1,100 serious assaults involving knives in the west of Scotland. The problem is made worse by sectarian violence, with hospitals reporting higher admissions following Old Firm matches. David Ritchie, an accident and emergency consultant at Glasgow’s Victoria Infirmary, said that the figures were a national disgrace. “I am embarrassed as a Scot that we are seeing this level of violence. Politicians must do something about this problem. This is a serious public health issue. Violence is a cancer in this part of the world,” he said. Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, head of the Strathclyde Police’s violence reduction unit, said the problem was chronic and restricting access to drink and limiting the sale of knives would at least reduce the problem. The study, by the UN’s crime research institute, found that 3 per cent of Scots had been victims of assault compared with 1.2 per cent in America and just 0.1 per cent in Japan, 0.2 per cent in Italy and 0.8 per cent in Austria. In England and Wales the figure was 2.8 per cent. Scotland was eighth for total crime, 13th for property crime, 12th for robbery and 14th for sexual assault. New Zealand had the most property crimes and sexual assaults, while Poland had the most robberies. Chief Constable Peter Wilson, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, questioned the figures. “It must be near impossible to compare assault figures from one country to the next based on phone calls,” he said. “We have been doing extensive research into violent crime in Scotland for some years now and this has shown that in the vast majority of cases, victims of violent crime are known to each other. We do accept, however, that, despite your chances of being a victim of assault being low in Scotland, a problem does exist.” Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries By Katrina Tweedie A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America. England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest. The study, based on telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries, found that more than 2,000 Scots were attacked every week, almost ten times the official police figures. They include non-sexual crimes of violence and serious assaults. Violent crime has doubled in Scotland over the past 20 years and levels, per head of population, are now comparable with cities such as Rio de Janeiro, Johannesburg and Tbilisi. The attacks have been fuelled by a “booze and blades” culture in the west of Scotland which has claimed more than 160 lives over the past five years. Since January there have been 13 murders, 145 attempted murders and 1,100 serious assaults involving knives in the west of Scotland. The problem is made worse by sectarian violence, with hospitals reporting higher admissions following Old Firm matches. David Ritchie, an accident and emergency consultant at Glasgow’s Victoria Infirmary, said that the figures were a national disgrace. “I am embarrassed as a Scot that we are seeing this level of violence. Politicians must do something about this problem. This is a serious public health issue. Violence is a cancer in this part of the world,” he said. Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, head of the Strathclyde Police’s violence reduction unit, said the problem was chronic and restricting access to drink and limiting the sale of knives would at least reduce the problem. The study, by the UN’s crime research institute, found that 3 per cent of Scots had been victims of assault compared with 1.2 per cent in America and just 0.1 per cent in Japan, 0.2 per cent in Italy an
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:Crime Rate in Scotland-Times Online   9/19/2005 11:00:17 PM
Having lived in Glasgow for four years that doesnt surprise me, however the UK as a whole has a real social problem at the minute which the Media calls "Yob Culture"
 
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LabRat    RE:Crime Rate in Scotland-Times Online   9/20/2005 7:28:15 AM
Phone poll! :-) Does having a flower pot thrown at you count?
 
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happyman77    RE:Crime Rate in Scotland-Times Online   9/22/2005 9:31:15 PM
I spent a couple of Days in Edinburgh last year and was much surpised by the street crime I saw. Of the course of a friday and saturday. I was personaly assualted by a a drunken kid who wanted to "kick a yanks ass." He was too drunk to pose a threat so I pushed him over. I watch two police foot chases, three or four other arrests, another drunken kid throw a trash can into a store window, three street fights. My friend lived there and was hosting me for the weekend said that it was pretty normal and the city was having trouble with drunken mobs on the weekends.
 
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S-2    RE:Crime Rate in Scotland-Times Online   9/23/2005 6:36:55 PM
Holy cow. And here I thought that all those Scottish kids were out on the moors trainspotting.
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Crime Rate in Scotland-Times Online   9/25/2005 9:55:58 PM
Wellington once said that they may be bastards, but they are our bastards. The violent tendency in British society is an asset drawn upon of old to build a military that rivals any in the world. The current lack of focus and use of this tendency is inexcusable. Use it or solve it, don't leave it to fester into open revolt and criminality.
 
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EW3    RE:Crime Rate in Scotland-Times Online - perfectgeneral   9/25/2005 10:13:07 PM
Wellington once said that they may be bastards, but they are our bastards. The violent tendency in British society is an asset drawn upon of old to build a military that rivals any in the world. All I can say is wow.
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:Crime Rate in Scotland-Times Online - perfectgeneral   9/26/2005 12:55:05 AM
I honestly think the only way to solve this is national service, instill discipline and an understanding of how disciplin and training will overcome mindless agression. It is strange however that this culture appears to be unique to he UK. I am sure that Germany, France, spain etc have problems with certain aspects of society, bt I really dont think they have anywhere near the problem the Uk doeas with mindless violence on the weekends in wvery city and town from the largest to the smallest.
 
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ses       7/21/2007 3:51:59 PM
At the risk of being controversial, the reason the crime rates are so high in Scotland are down to one thing - the high percentage of people of Irish descent in the country.  A lot of Irish immigrants came into the country for work during the 18th C and, to be fair, were treated pretty harshly at times. But the fact is, for one reason or another, their descendents account for the majority of prison inmates in Scotland today.

I had access to the records of the criminally insane in Scottish Mental Hospitals, and the majority of them were of Irish decent.  You can't watch the news here without noticing most of the crimes involve people with Irish names.  This is something, in this PC age, that isn't allowed to be acknowledged at all.  But if  people are going to give bare statistics suggesting Scotland has such a crime problem, the least they can do is discuss the reasons why.

 
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Legal Counsel       4/11/2009 1:25:28 PM
Ahh yes, It's GENETICS isn't it? and why does Northern ireland have the lowest rate of violent crime in the world/ with the Republic of Ireland having the second lowest?
There really should be some form of moderator here to deal with such garbage? England and Wales has the second highest, with New Zealand and Australia having twice the rate of the USA, it is to do with policing, poverty, and education.
i might suggest that racist or genetically based arguments  that have no merit be deleted.
 
 
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the British Lion       4/11/2009 5:09:44 PM

Ahh yes, It's GENETICS isn't it? and why does Northern ireland have the lowest rate of violent crime in the world/ with the Republic of Ireland having the second lowest?

There really should be some form of moderator here to deal with such garbage? England and Wales has the second highest, with New Zealand and Australia having twice the rate of the USA, it is to do with policing, poverty, and education.

i might suggest that racist or genetically based arguments  that have no merit be deleted.


 

Wow, as someone who's been to N. Ireland on many, many occasions, I call BS. If Northern Ireland has the lowest violent crime rate in the World the this whole planet is in even worse shape than I thought!
 
I don't suppose you have a sorce to back that up do you?
 
B.L. 
 
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