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Subject: UK's vassal status re-affirmed?
mithradates    4/8/2007 12:56:16 PM
In this latest prisoner incident, the actual power of the U.K has clearly been demonstrated. Though the entire affair was instigated by the U.K army, it is now obvious to all that the U.K is entirely dependent upon the U.S for it's security. Without U.S military backup, the U.K cannot even attempt to deal on a basis of equality with Iran let alone superiority. Iran was able to extract written confessions and apologies from the 15 tresspassers of their guilt and then was gracious enough to pardon these criminals. While the U.K put these soldiers on TV and had them whine about mistreatment, and how much they wanted to preserve their own lives. Is there now any doubt that the U.K is but a vassal of the U.S?
 
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french stratege       4/8/2007 1:47:23 PM
No doubt and moreover , unfortunately.traditional seriousness of British forces is gone as the behaviour of a whole group (but 3?) of british sailor have shown by their despicable and coward behavior.Not only they return with Iranian pink goodies bag and kidding with Iranians but now they fight to sell their stories to medias at the best price .
 
Not only UK is unable to achieve air superiority agaisnt any decent air force which is mandatory to win agaisnt a more numerous opponent but  is unable to protect its troops to air threat (no medium and short  range serious air defense)
It is navy has no fighters with radars on its aircraft carriers (no serious air defense) and can not cope with a small air force opposition of 30 Mig 29, M2000 or SU27 with BVR missiles for exemple.Its harrier can not launch antiship missiles as they have no radar.
Its navy is shrinking at great speed.
UK has no independant strategic reco (no reco satellites) and its Trident missiles are under US control for maintenance.
UK are US dependant at strategic level.
 
New weapon program like carrier are not yet secured and BTW will not be available before 2014!
British forces are broken as an autonomous force.
They can wage a war only if supported by US or France.
 
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Yimmy       4/8/2007 2:03:36 PM
Are any other British (or other for that matter) posters becoming increasingly frustrated with some recent posters rabid ramblings?

I realise all to well that (as a film I forget the name of once said), the reason and use of the internet is to slander people anonomously,  but I can't help but wonder how many of these posters would say what they write here to the faces of those they slander.

 
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Pseudonym       4/8/2007 2:09:42 PM
"I realise all to well that (as a film I forget the name of once said), the reason and use of the internet is to slander people anonomously,  but I can't help but wonder how many of these posters would say what they write here to the faces of those they slander."

Shoe, meet other foot.

 
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Yimmy       4/8/2007 2:12:30 PM


Shoe, meet other foot.


I actually think that a rather witty retort, but in answer I would be more than happy to have a long sit down (stand up?) discussion face to face with those who find it all too easy to slander the British forces.
 
 
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french stratege       4/8/2007 2:23:56 PM
Yimmy, I don't enjoy that you loose your military status.
It is up to you and British people.
First, court martial the 15 cowards, second , launch and accelerate your carrier program, third, build your own deterrent and stop to disarm your navy and let your industrial defense base going abroad.
 
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YelliChink       4/8/2007 2:31:01 PM

It is navy has no fighters with radars on its aircraft carriers (no serious air defense) and can not cope with a small air force opposition of 30 Mig 29, M2000 or SU27 with BVR missiles for exemple.Its harrier can not launch antiship missiles as they have no radar.
 

Sea Harrier F.A. 2 actually has a decent radar and can fire AIM-120. It can also carry and launch Sea Eagle anti-ship missile. Don't mistake Harrier GR.7 with F.A.2. The former is a dedicated ground attack aircraft, but the latter was redesigned specifically for fleet battle with lessons learned from Falkland. However, it was still a mistake for RN to abandon conventional carriers in 1980s.
 
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french stratege       4/8/2007 2:43:34 PM
Sea Harrier F.A. 2 actually has a decent radar and can fire AIM-120.
They are retired since April 2006.Currently British fleet air arm have no fighter aircrafts with a radar.
 
The decision to scrap the Royal Navy's 24 Sea Harriers in 2006 will leave aircraft carriers without air cover until the introduction of the joint strike fighter in 2012.
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Yimmy       4/8/2007 2:53:47 PM
As a small correction French, the Harrier GR.7 can fire anti-ship missiles in the form of Brimstone (carrying up to 12, with a range of I believe around 12 km's), and Maverick (carrying up to I believe 6-7, with a range of around 30km's).

Without organic radar, the Harrier is limited to its optical and IR sensors, and the missiles are not large, however they are capable of handling small craft, and at least heavily damaging larger threats.

I agree though that our naval aviation is currently in a somewhat shameful state.


 
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YelliChink       4/8/2007 3:02:30 PM



Sea Harrier F.A. 2 actually has a decent radar and can fire AIM-120.

They are retired since April 2006.Currently British fleet air arm have no fighter aircrafts with a radar.
 

The decision to scrap the Royal Navy's 24 Sea Harriers in 2006 will leave aircraft carriers without air cover until the introduction of the joint strike fighter in 2012.

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They are currently not in operation, but mouth-balled "just in case." The newest FA2 has only 6 years of operation.
 
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mithradates       4/8/2007 3:12:17 PM
The Sea Harriers are quite useless against any opponent with BVR capabilities.  Even worse, even an opponent with decent WVR tactics can probably neutralize the Harrier threat.  The U.K in this latest embarrassment has really renounced it's status as a world power of any worth.  The fact of the matter is, without U.S support, the U.K will not be able to successfully project it's military power to sub-saharan african countries, let alone more advanced nations.
 
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