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Subject: Good Bye Tony Blair
Panther    5/10/2007 9:39:58 PM
He may have been big on "Big Government" in his country & extremly disliked for it, perhaps quite rightly. He was hated with a passion by many within his country for siding with us in going into Iraq, though i am grateful he stood with us. He was certainly derided by many in the country & out of it, as being President Bush's poodle or lap-dog, which i think is absolutely ludicrous. Oh yeah, did i mention he was also disliked for being a christian? Yup, he is a christian. But, that is neither here nor there in the scheme of things that are yet too come! His domestic socialist leaning's being what they are & opposite of what i am, need not stand in the way of gauging the worth of the man's international politics & what it has meant to me all the way here in my tiny & quite humble abode here in N. Texas. What i will always appreciate about the man himself, will not be because he went against the grain of what others thought of him, though i do find that incredibly admirable in itself. No... what i will always appreciate about him is that he saw in the US as a friend in need & stood with us... come what may! To go behind the headlines, many british subjects might be surprised too learn that instead of being dictated too by the US, he had actually worked with us in this fight against this new nihlistic scourge of terrorism that knows no reason, except it's own rightness & superiority in it's own cause! The average british person on the street may be glad too see him go, but as for me and my concern for trans-alantic relations betweens the US and the UK, i fear it is about to take a nose dive for the extreme worse with next PM, all because of misperceptions that are still being printed in the press about us Americans! It need not be that way. But such is the decay of reason in today's age, any other outcome would be incredibly surprising too me! Can anyone across the pond prove me wrong, and give me cause for cheer?
 
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VelocityVector       5/10/2007 10:16:03 PM

The British are about to feast on themselves like never before.  Their best people will escalate migration abroad.  Let's not give Brits our key source code please, we'll be glad we didn't.  Revisit this post in five years.  That is all.

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Yimmy       5/10/2007 10:41:26 PM
So..... what are everyones thoughts on Brown then?
 
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VelocityVector       5/10/2007 11:04:57 PM

So..... what are everyones thoughts on Brown then?
Asiduous student of The Clintons.  Will swap defense, tech and long-term advantage for immediate press, power and comradely good fellowship.  UK hard power projection will suffer.  Al Gore to be retained as a consultant on manbearpig ;>)  Brown subordinates will rot you from the inside and you'll never see it.

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Panther       5/10/2007 11:12:26 PM

So..... what are everyones thoughts on Brown then?



From what i've read, he will continue on with Mr. Blair's domestic policies, so not much has really changed for your country. OTOH... what he may or may not do for trans-atlantic relations is what has me in jitter's, especially given how negative the British press has usally been in it's perceptions of our relation's between each other for quite some time now. Given the way i am feeling right now, he may be finally buying into the EU idea of open contempt and hostility towards my country, when there is no reason for all these flurry of misunderstandings and false negative perception between the two continents!
 
I might be wrong, but it's just a hunch.
 
 
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Yimmy       5/10/2007 11:28:41 PM
We should start a bet going.
 
How long from Brown taking office, will it take for him to fly to America for his chat with Bush?
 
My bet is he will in his fourth week of being PM.
 
 
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VelocityVector       5/10/2007 11:37:53 PM
Bush is a lame duck with huge liabilities.  Brown will stall Bush and wait for the successor, while Brown's subordinates will eat Britain out from the inside.  The Queen's recent visit and changes in France won't stop Clintonism in the UK, where that mirage is alive and well.

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Yimmy       5/11/2007 6:45:21 AM
What exactly is this "Clintonism", and what has it got to do with the UK?
 
 
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flamingknives       5/11/2007 10:19:08 AM
Brown may be a good accountant (although that's a double-edged compliment) but you should never put an accountant in chage of policy. Think in the short term and f*&k everything up completely.
 
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VelocityVector       5/11/2007 1:53:24 PM

What exactly is this "Clintonism", and what has it got to do with the UK?

Clintonism in the UK context means important military projects will get scuttled and taxes will be increased on successful earners and industry so a welfare parent can make a lifestyle from squeezing out pups.

It means forces will get sent into theatre without assets requested by commanders so as to maintain a "light footprint" with the result your sailors get seized due to lack of overwatch or in our case armor sought is not available to rescue crew from Blackhawks downed.

Clintonism means your government will approve sales of supercomputers and weaps design leaks to potential adversaries so they don't have to test and muck up their own soil and the elite will simply hope the other power appreciates such peaceable intentions (while actually the adversary laughs at their naivete).

It means the number of police monitoring cameras will multiply and leaders at rallies promoting traditional British values will be cataloged and scrutinized but police will receive instructions to overlook and not intervene in incidents caught on camera where a man wearing ethnic clothing harasses women for exposing too much skin.

Your children will be surreptitiously fed halal meat at school but if you dare ask to examine the food supply contracts running to ethnic butchers you will be curtly dismissed for your bigotry.

An afternoon's history lecture involving Old and New Testament content will be canceled then replaced with a week of mandatory study about the Koran and Islam.

These effects are symptomatic of what I had referred to as "Clintonism" but of course there are other names for the phenomenon too.  It's my contention that with Brown and his colleagues running the joint you will be seeing increased Clintonism in the UK during the years ahead.  I hope that I'm wrong.

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Panther       5/11/2007 3:14:53 PM




What exactly is this "Clintonism", and what has it got to do with the UK?


Clintonism in the UK context means important military projects
will get scuttled and taxes will be increased on successful earners and
industry so a welfare parent can make a lifestyle from squeezing out pups.


It means forces will get sent into theatre without assets
requested by commanders so as to maintain a "light footprint" with
the result your sailors get seized due to lack of overwatch or in our case armor
sought is not available to rescue crew from Blackhawks downed.


Clintonism means your government will approve sales of
supercomputers and weaps design leaks to potential adversaries so they don't
have to test and muck up their own soil and the elite will simply hope the
other power appreciates such peaceable intentions (while actually the adversary
laughs at their naivete).


It means the number of police monitoring cameras will
multiply and leaders at rallies promoting traditional British values will be
cataloged and scrutinized but police will receive instructions to overlook and
not intervene in incidents caught on camera where a man wearing ethnic clothing
harasses women for exposing too much skin.


Your children will be surreptitiously fed halal meat at
school but if you dare ask to examine the food supply contracts running to
ethnic butchers you will be curtly dismissed for your bigotry.


An afternoon's history lecture involving Old and New
Testament content will be canceled then replaced with a week of mandatory study
about the Koran and Islam.


These effects are symptomatic of what I had referred to as "Clintonism"
but of course there are other names for the phenomenon too.  It's my contention that with Brown and his
colleagues running the joint you will be seeing increased Clintonism in the UK during
the years ahead.  I hope that I'm wrong.


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As much as i am grateful for Tony Blair & other British citizens for standing with us, everything you have stated has sadly already come true year's ago from most of what i've read, especially for her proud military! Now it's just a question of... just how much worse are the british going to let it get?
 
Reading a little of Mr. Brown's statements in the press, it just might be a little while longer before the british realize they had spent their money with very little to show for it, except for the feel good stories of the BBC! Perhaps as usal, we'll get blamed again for all of their problems, while the illness remains untreated! While the BBC is good for simple entertainment, it unfortunately doesn't convince your enemies not too attack you. On the contrary, it increases their desire out of a percieved weakness of the British.
 
Like you, i hope i am wrong too, but i will keep my finger's crossed!
 

 
 
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