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Subject: fundamentalist nutters-Apocalyptic beliefs...
StudentofConflict    7/26/2007 6:04:57 AM
So, I'm not talking about the 'Allahu Akbar' ones, but the Praise Jesus ones. I've always thought that the UK and USA were very close culturally, and had more in common with one another than with continental europe for example. But when you read and hear what some of these looneytunes god-botherers believe, its a bit scary to think you're allied with people who actually take the bible as being literally real. I saw in another thread that one dude 'as a christian' believed the world was only 4000 years old!!In the 21st century!! What scares me is that these people are going to fill more and more government and military positions, and then get it into their heads that its the Rapture or a countries been taken over by the antichrist or something and then cause armageddon...what do others think? I mean how prevalent are ultra-fanatical christian beliefs in the US? How many problems can it cause?
 
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paul1970       7/26/2007 8:02:50 AM
best asking that on the US thread.
 
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StudentofConflict       7/26/2007 8:44:41 AM
But then I'll just be told that I'm a decadent eurotrash whos turning into a Eurabian ;-)!!
 
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Nichevo       7/26/2007 1:01:34 PM

best asking that on the US thread.


Look to the beam in your own eye.  Where did we get the religiosity?  Couldn't have been those Puritans.  England certainly never had any religious wars.  Didn't send missionaries out all over the world.  Who could have imagined it?
 
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flamingknives       7/26/2007 2:10:09 PM
Religious persecution, yes, but I don't think that any religious wars occurred in England.
In the UK, however, you get Scotland and Ireland with their attendant problems.

AIUI, we got rid of the Puritans (religious intolerance again) to... the USA!*

*Although, of course it wasn't the USA at the time.
 
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Ehran       7/26/2007 2:34:31 PM
supposedly 40% of americans believe the bible to be literal truth.  depressingly large percentages reject evolution etc as well.
 
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JIMF       7/26/2007 3:20:20 PM
No religious wars in England. Hmm. certainly persecutions (burnings) of Catholics under Henry VIII, Edward, and Elizabeth, and persecution of Protestants under Mary. I thought Cromwell and the Roundheads was at least partially about religion.
As far as the religious beliefs of Americans: A Gallup Poll question on people views of the bible indicates that literalists have dropped from about 40% of the population in 1980 to about 28% in 2006.   This drop could be the result of immigration, which to a large extent consists of Mexicans, at least nominally in general Catholic, plus significant numbers of Asians. 
 
There is agreat deal of regional variance. Religious belief in general and fundamentalism in particular strongest in the south.
 
 "What scares me is that these people are going to fill more and more government and military positions, and then get it into their heads that its the Rapture or a countries been taken over by the antichrist or something and then cause armageddon..."
 
As far as I can tell none of the potential candidates for the presidency fall into this category, although some may express fundamentalist views as they pander for votes. One major candidate is a Mormon, and many fundamentalists and others are disconcerted by their beliefs, even though there isn't supposed to be a religious test for office.
 
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displacedjim       7/26/2007 7:39:50 PM
It's amazing how intolerant the supposedly-tolerant are, and how illiberal the supposedly liberal are.  And you're right JimF, there is no religious test for federal office allowed in America per the Constitution; but then that has nothing to do with what criteria voters use to elect anyone.  StudentofConflict et al., if you can trust the opinion of an ultra-fanatical fundamentalist Christian nutter, then feel free to sleep easy tonight:  I'd say the likelihood of actual Christians gaining a majority anywhere in American government or our military is slim, and the military (Christian-dominated or not) is not about to start anything we aren't ordered to do by our civilian leadership.
 
Haven't you brought this subject up before?  If so, why do you keep asking?
 
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JIMF       7/27/2007 11:27:17 AM
"I'm not talking about the "Allahu Akbar" ones"
 
Of course you're not, much safer to criticize fundamentalist Christians. 
 
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Yimmy       7/27/2007 1:15:45 PM


It's amazing how intolerant the supposedly-tolerant are,

Whats so intolerant about voicing free speech against a religion?  Just as those fundamentalists can preach what they like, people can speak against what they preach.
 
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displacedjim       7/27/2007 6:26:05 PM







It's amazing how intolerant the supposedly-tolerant are,




Whats so intolerant about voicing free speech against a religion?  Just as those fundamentalists can preach what they like, people can speak against what they preach.



Brilliant, Yimmy!  You're absolutely right, he has not (yet) closed the loop and advocated any specific action denying us our rights to free speech and religion.  I certainly hope you will continue to respond that way whenever anyone claims Christians are being intolerant for preaching as we do.
 
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