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Subject: Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!
counterstrike    10/7/2005 10:10:24 AM
Guys the doubt is, whether be-heading, the way by Iraqi terrorists & some other so called Islamic terrorists around the are executing their enemies Is Islamic? Or These Lunatic Terrorists are making it up? I am not sure which one is right, so can u guys help me out, bcos u guys should have a first hand knowledge abt Islam, being Muslims.
 
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counterstrike    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/7/2005 1:21:18 PM
Ok Renegade, but is their anything present in the Quran, that alludes this kind of Be-heading is Right? Did Prophet Muhammad preach this Kind of a punishment to infidels, criminals and non-belivers of the religion of truth(ISLAM)?
 
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Mother of Pakistan    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/8/2005 7:15:22 AM
Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H) didnt at all gived punishments to nonbelivers or even criminals.Islam is religion of peace and love.I will give u a good exampleIn the battle of Badr,When the non-moslems were defeated and taken prisoners they were given a condition that they can only go if they teach 10 moslem children(THey were highly educated people).So they did and they were freed.Ok how about an another example when Moslems captured Meccah they were given a strict rule by Prophet Muhammad that if any one killed women or children they will be immediatly executed and this conquest was by far the most peaceful conquest of a city in the history of this planet When people go to extreme side of religion they become fanatics and they forget all good points in the religion.This is what is happening nowadays -MOP
 
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counterstrike    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/8/2005 7:28:45 AM
MOP, that gets rid of the doubt I had!!!, thanX mate
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/8/2005 8:15:40 PM
""Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H) didnt at all gived punishments to nonbelivers or even criminals.Islam is religion of peace and love." --->Can you back them with some proof? ""I will give u a good exampleIn the battle of Badr,When the non-moslems were defeated and taken prisoners they were given a condition that they can only go if they teach 10 moslem children(THey were highly educated people).So they did and they were freed.Ok how about an another example when Moslems captured Meccah they were given a strict rule by Prophet Muhammad that if any one killed women or children they will be immediatly executed and this conquest was by far the most peaceful conquest of a city in the history of this planet" -->Whats your source of truth?
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/8/2005 8:20:01 PM
Should have mentioned this in my earlier post! Couple of things struck me from your post- 1.""(THey were highly educated people)."" --->What were highly educated people doing in a battlefield in the first place? 2.What if the highly educated people ,who were INDEED taken prisoners,refused to abide by the peaceful prophet?What then....
 
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counterstrike    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/8/2005 11:39:05 PM
hi TSI, I just wanted Know how much these guys know abt Islam & their Prophet. & I found that out. I don't wan't to go into whether, he preached Be-heading or not, as that could bring back the name calling & BS stuffs, which seems to have stopped a little now!! I have collected some articles in the web abt. this, so I am pretty much clear abt this Be-heading stuff.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/9/2005 12:01:29 AM
Well,lets hear your conclusion then!
 
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counterstrike    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/9/2005 12:15:36 AM
do u really want to know that mate? I think this thing will heat the pakis, If u still want to know that,then i will go ahead. >>Well,lets hear your conclusion then!<< well I don't have any conclusions of my own, but it had been influenced by the articles. Anyway I am some what confident abt it, i mean I am confident abt what was written in the article!!! It said to check out one thing, I tried it, and his theroy was almost right. Am I making u more curious TSI? I would reckon yes. I again say this "I think this thing will heat the pakis, If u still want to know that, then i will go ahead."
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/9/2005 12:27:34 AM
Well,I am curious! I am sure the truth or untruth should see the light of the day! Either way-we should debate it rationally!
 
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counterstrike    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/9/2005 12:40:48 AM
ok mate here its here is quick reference of the quranic verses abt beheading: (the full is in the link given below, the site has a tag which says if proven wrong the site will be removed) P.S: pakis please forgive me, i am just posting what I found & I don't mean to hurt ur relegious feelings. Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs: 5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;” 8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.” 47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.” 9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.” 2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.” 5: 45-- “We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Toth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” 2:193- “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah” 9:29- "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Zizziya tax) by hand, being inferior.” 8:17-It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah is a real merciful indeed!) How can Islamic Mullahs blatantly hide these authentic Quarnic verses? The above Qur’anic scriptures incited early Muslim Jihadis to behead thousands of non-Muslims and other infidels. These same Quranic verses may still inciting devout/fanatical Muslims of modern days. During the early period of Islam, especially during Islamic expeditions by Prophet Muhammad himself while he was in Medina, thousands of infidels were brutally beheaded by the Jihadis. Below is a case in point collected from the authentic Islamic history to use as an example of Islamic beheading. Proofs of beheading practice by Prophet Muhammad (According to “Sirat A, Rasul” page 464): “When Banu Qurayza Jewish tribe was surrendered (627 A.D.) unconditionally, the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches tying theirs both hands with their necks. This beheading went on until the apostle made an end of them. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. Apparently Muhammad himself worked on the digging of the trench into which the massacred Jews were to be thrown. But he (Muhammad) did not only take part in those preparations, the formulation of the text states but also participated himself in beading of at least two of the leading Jews. Sahi Buchari Hadiths #143, page-700 : Sulaiman Ibne Harb…Aannas Ibne Malek (ra) narrated, “in the war of Khaiber after the inhabitants of Banu Qurayza was surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he (prophet) took all women and children as captives (Ghani mateer maal).. Among the captives Rayhana a beautiful young Jewish girl was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mohr.” Here is the excerpt from Dr. Andew Bostom’s article in the Frontpage Magazine: ‘According to the biography of Prophet Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, Prophet Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe mercilessly. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns. The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the f
 
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