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Subject: PAKISTAN' FAR MORE CAPABLE THAN INDIA (Latest Report)
Indian cadet    11/1/2005 4:57:59 PM
Pakistan nukes outstrip India’s, officials say U.S. reverses assessment of South Asia nuclear balance By Robert Windrem and Tammy Kupperman NBC News Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is vastly superior to that of rival India, with up to five times the nuclear warheads, say U.S. military and intelligence officials now reassessing the South Asian balance of power. Interviews with senior U.S. officials in the past week revealed the view that Pakistan not only has more warheads than its longtime adversary, but has far more capability to actually use them. NUCLEAR WEAPONS TESTS by India and Pakistan in May 1998 caught American intelligence off guard. While U.S. agencies long had known about weapons-development research in both countries, the decision by both to go public with their capabilities shocked policymakers. Since then, U.S. intelligence and diplomacy has focused on South Asia with a new intensity. Until recently, for instance, Pakistan was considered to have somewhere between 10 and 15 nuclear weapons and India between 25 and 100. But after two years of intelligence gathering, officials now believe those figures overstate the capabilities of India’s home-grown arsenal and understate those of Pakistan, whose program has relied on generous Chinese assistance. One official said the Pakistanis “are more likely to have those numbers [25 to 100 weapons] than the Indians.” Perhaps most important, the official said, is that Pakistan appears far more capable than India of delivering nuclear payloads. “I don’t think their [the Indian] program is as advanced as the Paks,” the official said, speaking particularly of ballistic missiles. Marine Corps Gen. Anthony Zinni, commander of the U.S. Central Command, said longtime assumptions that India had an edge in the South Asian strategic balance of power were questionable, at best. “Don’t assume that the Pakistani nuclear capability is inferior to the Indians,” said Zinni, the senior U.S. officer responsible for the Middle East and South Asia. Other military and intelligence officials, as well as an intelligence analysis of South Asia’s nuclear balance obtained by NBC News, shed more light on the revised view. NBC News is the broadcast partner of the MSNBC.com joint venture. said one senior military official. “Pakistan’s may be better than India’s, with more weapons and more capability. “You can’t underestimate the Pakistani program,” said the official. Like most of the officials NBC News contacted, this one would speak only on condition of anonymity. These officials believe India understands that it is behind. A recent Defense Department analysis of the Indian program obtained by MSNBC.com states that India is moving to address its shortcomings. The U.S. report also states that “India probably has a handful of nuclear bombs,” meaning about five. With regard to delivery systems - the missiles and bombers needed to launch a nuclear strike - U.S. officials now believe Indian capabilities to be seriously lagging. According to the Defense Department document, which is unclassified, India has no nuclear-capable missiles and fewer aircraft capable of delivering a nuclear payload than Pakistan does. A U.S. official stated that Pakistani air and missile delivery systems are now believed to be “fully capable of a nuclear exchange if something happens.” Other officials noted that Pakistan’s air force, with its U.S. F-16’s and its French Mirage fighter-bombers, are superior at penetrating enemy airspace than India’s Soviet-designed MiGs and Sukhois. Most importantly, Pakistan is now thought to possess about 30 nuclear-capable missiles: the Chinese M-11 short-range missile and its Pakistani variant, the Tarmuk, as well as the North Korean Nodong intermediate-range missile (known locally as the Ghauri). The mystery that shrouds both of these growing nuclear arsenals has become a major cause for concern among U.S. policymakers, who even before the 1998 tests had deemed South Asia the most likely site of a nuclear war. According to one analysis done by the U.S. Air Force, more than 150 million Indians and Pakistanis could perish in an all-out nuclear exchange - three times the total number of people who died in World War II. One frequently cited fear among U.S. intelligence officials is an accidental nuclear war in which Pakistan mistakes the firing of an Indian missile bearing a conventional warhead as a nuclear strike. Despite what appears to be a healthy fear of the other on both sides, the United States still fears there could be a series of crises that lead to something worse. Last year’s Pakistani incursion in the Kargil area of Kashmir, the disputed Muslim territory controlled by India, is a good example of the region’s unpredictability. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340687/
 
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Indian cadet    unintention   11/1/2005 5:08:42 PM
It has been posted three times, not intentionally, connectivity problem; sorry abt that.
 
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counterstrike    RE:PAKISTAN' FAR MORE CAPABLE THAN INDIA (Latest Report)   11/2/2005 2:12:15 AM
>>A U.S. official stated that Pakistani air and missile delivery systems are now believed to be “fully capable of a nuclear exchange if something happens.” Other officials noted that Pakistan’s air force, with its U.S. F-16’s and its French Mirage fighter-bombers, are superior at penetrating enemy airspace than India’s Soviet-designed MiGs and Sukhois.<< poor understanding give me any comparison that takes out su-30MKIs with F-16.. infact the can't be compared at all they have differnt roles actually
 
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takkar    RE:PAKISTAN' FAR MORE CAPABLE THAN INDIA (Latest Report)   11/3/2005 6:45:39 PM
very nice.
 
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Genesis    RE:PAKISTAN' FAR MORE CAPABLE THAN INDIA (Latest Report)   11/17/2005 6:38:57 AM
Very Nice....should have been posted on Military jokes!
 
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jojo       9/15/2006 6:41:11 PM
for genesis and takkar
hello my friends
i can only say regarding your comments that TRY IT
mean if you think that its was a joke " Very Nice....should have been posted on Military jokes!" then why india still wait for it., attack on pakistan.
you cant , pakistan is a nuclear state man , its not possible now, i dont know in which world you people live. please awake from your sleep , you indian cannot even imagine the power of PAF(f-16).
bye
 
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Jawan    MR. JOJO   9/16/2006 4:15:00 AM

for genesis and takkar

hello my friends

i can only say regarding your comments that TRY IT

mean if you think that its was a joke " Very Nice....should have been posted on Military jokes!" then why india still wait for it., attack on pakistan.
you cant , pakistan is a nuclear state man , its not possible now, i dont know in which world you people live. please awake from your sleep , you indian cannot even imagine the power of PAF(f-16).

bye



Which world u living in JERK!! DO u even know what r u talking about. ""Pakistan is a nuclear state"", so what?? U think only ur paki scumbag generals got the CAJUNS to throw some nuc weaps.

Do u want ur "BELOVED" Pakistan to be a HOLE IN the ground. PAF IS ZERO, was before and always be ZERO. U should know to use ur begged and gifted weapon systems. PAF F-16s are nothing in front of IAF. They were too scared to come out in 1999. Dont even think about using nucs on India. Its bye bye to Pakiland and u jackasses wont even get ur 72 virgins!! LOL

Small islamic states with zero intelligence should not threaten big nations. You know what happens then, read ur history (circa 1971), DUMBASSS!!! ;)

 
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TopGun    Jawan the Moron   9/17/2006 2:36:56 PM
A very interesting article indeed, one that again re-inforces how important it is not write off Pakistan as it continually shows how capable and dynamic it truly is.  This important Muslim ally of the US and the west should be taken seriously and given due processess instead of the constant critism which I fear, will eventually turn-off this importan nation, polls show that the people of Pakistan already are,  and force it to look elsewhere for friends.  Something I fear would be the biggest mistake of any US administration and the West(mainly European nations) who will lose an important ally in that part of the world and regional power of Asia.  But first of alll...................
 
Jawan & other ignorant racist geeks, u sound like a complete moron, u shouldnt be allowed to even speak because ur IQ is less than a monkeys( as I know ur kind worship monkeys! so thats quite pitiful). U should get lost and leave this strategypage forum with all your pathetic, Pakistan bashing,  ignorant racist comments which u post. funny that u should post racist comments when in general indians suffer much racism in the world. Go to school and learn how to talk and discuss.  Anyhow,
 
Pakistan's nuclear program is more advanced due to the fact that its been using an advanced metallurgical centrifuge based on an enhanced prototype developed in the late 70's in Europe from the onset of its push to develop nuclear weopons.  The irony is that, though indiya have been developing nuclear weopons for decades longer than Pakistanis, there programs, like many others(tanks, aircraft, subs etc...), have always suffered serious set-backs and problems something which is a recurring phenomenon with India's bellicose development programs.  Infact, in March of 1992, several Indian agents where caught trying to acquire nuclear technology from a contact in South Africa.  The irony is that the contact was an associate of Abdul Qadeer Khan of Pakistan!.  I find it funny that despite their larger population, resources and pool of scientist, India, which foolishly started this nuclear arms race in Suuth Asia in the 70's has had to resort to such desperate tactics and has such a poor record vis-a-vis its development program.  This bodes very poorly for a country its size. 
 
Kudoos to Pakistan, for having developed such a capability at a fraction of the cost, and in 1/4 the time period not mention a more effective system and interestingly, all done while it was under the most severest of sanctions(Glenn, Pressler etc...) and severe international scrutiny many of which where crippling to the economy and nation as a whole.  But they never let go of their resolve, call them what u want as many people(mostly indians) do in a racist manner, but the fact of the matter is that Pakistan has always managed to surprise everyone and prove itself to be a dynamic nation despite its limited resources. The Pakistani weopons system are also known to be highly developed on several delivery platforms, and miniaturized.  Recently, reports are coming out(I'll post the link when I get the chance) that Pakistan is moving towards the Neutron bombs.  IMO, India has bitten off more than it can chew,  Pakistanis have consistently proven themselves to be a resilient and a capable people.  A sort of David versus Goliath situation with David comming out on top!
 
 
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Jawan    Stupid rantings!!!!   9/19/2006 3:13:31 AM

A very interesting article indeed, one that again re-inforces how important it is not write off Pakistan as it continually shows how capable and dynamic it truly is.  This important Muslim ally of the US and the west should be taken seriously and given due processess instead of the constant critism which I fear, will eventually turn-off this importan nation, polls show that the people of Pakistan already are,  and force it to look elsewhere for friends.  Something I fear would be the biggest mistake of any US administration and the West(mainly European nations) who will lose an important ally in that part of the world and regional power of Asia.  But first of alll...................

 

Jawan & other ignorant racist geeks, u sound like a complete moron, u shouldnt be allowed to even speak because ur IQ is less than a monkeys( as I know ur kind worship monkeys! so thats quite pitiful). U should get lost and leave this strategypage forum with all your pathetic, Pakistan bashing,  ignorant racist comments which u post. funny that u should post racist comments when in general indians suffer much racism in the world. Go to school and learn how to talk and discuss.  Anyhow,

 

Pakistan's nuclear program is more advanced due to the fact that its been using an advanced metallurgical centrifuge based on an enhanced prototype developed in the late 70's in Europe from the onset of its push to develop nuclear weopons.  The irony is that, though indiya have been developing nuclear weopons for decades longer than Pakistanis, there programs, like many others(tanks, aircraft, subs etc...), have always suffered serious set-backs and problems something which is a recurring phenomenon with India's bellicose development programs.  Infact, in March of 1992, several Indian agents where caught trying to acquire nuclear technology from a contact in South Africa.  The irony is that the contact was an associate of Abdul Qadeer Khan of Pakistan!.  I find it funny that despite their larger population, resources and pool of scientist, India, which foolishly started this nuclear arms race in Suuth Asia in the 70's has had to resort to such desperate tactics and has such a poor record vis-a-vis its development program.  This bodes very poorly for a country its size. 

 

Kudoos to Pakistan, for having developed such a capability at a fraction of the cost, and in 1/4 the time period not mention a more effective system and interestingly, all done while it was under the most severest of sanctions(Glenn, Pressler etc...) and severe international scrutiny many of which where crippling to the economy and nation as a whole.  But they never let go of their resolve, call them what u want as many people(mostly indians) do in a racist manner, but the fact of the matter is that Pakistan has always managed to surprise everyone and prove itself to be a dynamic nation despite its limited resources. The Pakistani weopons system are also known to be highly developed on several delivery platforms, and miniaturized.  Recently, reports are coming out(I'll post the link when I get the chance) that Pakistan is moving towards the Neutron bombs.  IMO, India has bitten off more than it can chew,  Pakistanis have consistently proven themselves to be a resilient and a capable people.  A sort of David versus Goliath situation with David comming out on top!

 

A post filled with stupidity, gross mistruths, "infertile" imagination, crazy rantings of knowledge-deprived education espousing the cause of mullah controlled pakiland. Morons like u bred in that country can say nothing less. Begging and stealing is the way Pakistan survives. Servility to USA and kissing mullah ass is how likes of musharraf, zia, et all survive. Failed nations always produce failed intellects, (Read topgun).

May be ur education did not tell u the facts about evolution. UR PROPHET did not produce humans. THEY evolved from MOnkeys!!! GUess u have a MONKEY Brain too!! May be u should watch some discovery channel programs too, learn about "Evolution". Calling other posters "monkey brained an moron" does not prove ur point. Only reinforces the fact that ur a fool who belongs to real backward community. TCCCh

Paki nuc program is a stollen one and depends upon chinks supplying them literally everything.!!! Abdul Qadeer Khan is a thief and made zillions to selling what he himself had stolen from European countries.

Don't even try to compare india's nuc program with urs. Difference is palpable to anyone with a wise head on his shoulders (unlike u CHORs).
 
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Shah Rukh       9/26/2006 4:07:04 PM
lol...INDIOTS ARE JERKS MAN...THEY KNOW THEIR COUNTRY SUCKS, BUT THEY DNT WANA ADMIT IT. U INDIOTS LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD CALLED 'BOLLYWOOD'..TRY STEPPING INTO REALITY, THE WORLD IS MORE THAN JUST A SLUT DANCING WIV 20 MEN WITH TURBANS ON THIER HEAD AND OFFERING COCONUTS TO A BABY ELEPHANT MADE OF STONE AKA DUMBO. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!
 
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Jawan       9/27/2006 9:07:49 AM

lol...INDIOTS ARE JERKS MAN...THEY KNOW THEIR COUNTRY SUCKS, BUT THEY DNT WANA ADMIT IT. U INDIOTS LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD CALLED 'BOLLYWOOD'..TRY STEPPING INTO REALITY, THE WORLD IS MORE THAN JUST A SLUT DANCING WIV 20 MEN WITH TURBANS ON THIER HEAD AND OFFERING COCONUTS TO A BABY ELEPHANT MADE OF STONE AKA DUMBO. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!


LOL, an illiterate, uneducated fool, descended from half breeds, surviving on handouts, and yea whose grandparents possibly were born INDIANS  ranting away to glory.

Oh!! what a wonderful example of A FOOL!~!

Any sane intelligent person born in Terrorist state of Pakistan YET!!! I dont think so :))
 
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