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Subject: F-35 vs SU30 vs Rafale---F-22 vs SU30 vs Rafale
Herc the Merc    4/19/2005 3:28:12 PM
Assume electronics & missiles capabilities are the same-loadouts per plane specs though. 1 on 1 who would win, how many times in 10 engagements. Also Will a 2 to 1 superority give advantage to say the SU-30 over the F-series. Until the SU-35 this pretty much will be the balance of airpower.
 
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gf0012-aust    France and percentile of muslims - anders320 - FS   5/7/2005 9:01:51 PM
Thanks for the correction on percentiles (10% as opposed to 20%). I've been under the distinct impression that the ratio is as high as 20% in some major population centres, and on proportion, greater than 10% in both the south, south east and east of central france.
 
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T800m101    RE:F22 etc...   5/8/2005 6:50:30 PM
"As I said , I believe Raptor to be SLIGHLY better at dogfighting ." Only "slightly" come on man, the facts are heavily against that, the F-22 has a much larger wing area, far better T/W ratio, and TVC, how can the Rafale possibly match that?
 
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Bluewings    RE:F22 etc...   5/8/2005 7:06:27 PM
If Raptor is SLIGHLY better at dogfighting , it means that Rafale would have a hard day . You say "how can Rafale match" . I never said it could match , but Rafale turn sharper faster than F22 and has the ability to point his nose by flying sideways . Not TVC sure but good enough for cannon fight ... Cheers .
 
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USN-MID    RE:France and percentile of muslims - anders320 - FS   5/8/2005 8:19:37 PM
As both sides will be in 9G jets with HMCS/HOBS weapons, it'll be decided by: 1)pilot skill 2)luck/circumstances/etc. No real point in arguing dogfight turnouts in jets.
 
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french stratege    TVC   5/9/2005 12:16:34 PM
Should I say that TVC bring nothing above 350 knts on manoeuvrability? Every body knows that doing air combat under this speed is pretty risky as you extend dramatically zero escape zone of AA missile of a second ennemy fighter. Simulations has shown TVC bring almost nothing in REAL air combat efficiency and it is why most competent air force did not buy it.The weight it add to a engine is often better used in increasing thrust of the engine. And trust to weight ratio of F22 is no superior to F15 one. TVC will not equip conventional F35.And no F16 purchaser has bought F16 TVC, even Israelis.
 
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