Its Northrop Grumman that works SABR. Its Raytheon that works RACR.  Case proved for the umpteenth 100th time.

 

Let me know, when you catch on...

 

H.

??? I know that Herald ! What 's the problem with you ???

 

Cheers .

There's that truth thing at work again.

 

Funny I'd think you'd have worked on that since last time.

 

H.

In fact Herald , I know what your problem is . You simply don 't want to talk with me .

 

Whatever I say or post , you only look at ME and try your best (your worse in fact) to degrade me , to attack me and most of all , to look down on me . Herald , I don 't care but on any other site than here , you would be already gone .

Re-read your last 8 posts or so , the only good thing you did was to post a credible link wrt the APG-80 update . All the rest is personal attack and bla-bla .

 

It is IMPOSSIBLE to have any half decent discussion with you and this is the reason why you have been banned already , as well as for insults . 

Can 't you just be a "normal" poster and only argue the ideas instead to behave like a "all guns blazing flaming troll" ?

 

Cheers .

Educate yourself....

 

And don't waste my time with your excuses.

 

H.

Excuses ? What for ?

 

I know Ratheon 's site but it is a very good and very credible link , for once . Since we 're on it , look at this picture of the RACR radar :

 

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As they say , it is a GENERIC "plug-and-play" front-end and it doesn 't fit very well the F-16 nose . The plate is rather small , there is a lot of unused place . Then , they don 't have anything to put right behind and on top of it , like a system like the OSF . Compare :

 

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 Even the Pesa RBE2 is bigger :

 

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Another one of the RBE2-AA (rare one) with the OSF fit :

 

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Can 't you see that Thalès fits more in a small space ? They 're not "clowns" Herald , far from it .

While they are still behind (?) in Aesa design , they know what tey do and they do it well .

 

Cheers .

 

 

 

And that is the difference between us. You discuss irrelevances. I discuss signals returns and a whole whopping heat and sidelobe noise problem.

 

 

H.

What I do care about Herald is what Thalès say and you can put your rubbish "heat and side lobes problem" back in the bin .

 

Can you read english :

 

Btw Mr the Poseur , you NEVER go beyond vindication . Look at what you just posted , I quote :

 

""you don 't see what I see ... but then you have to be able to see it"" etc , etc ...

 

and what are we we supposed to see , sad clown ??? Because from where I stand , I don 't need any cristal ball to see your sick mind , Poseur . I am getting sick of your absolutly disgraceful attitude based on prevarication , lies and semantics .

You have NOTHING to show coming from your own intelligence because you haven 't any . Your IQ must be rather low .

You have nothing to show, zero , nada . You 're just full of hot air .

 

Some other French posters are actualy with me on a chatbox and they are pis*ing themselves !

 

Cheers .

What posters should keep in mind is the fact that Thalès could only use the available space (which is not very big) to fit the best and biggest Aesa radar they could fit while still keeping room enough for the OSF-NG .

Every available inch or centimeter had to be used . There is some clever design at work here , whatever some nasty poster(s) may say .

 

If the Rafale 's nose was 1m wide , do you think that Thalès would have used a 1.000 T/R modules fixed plate ? 

On an other forum , we have a very similar discussion . We (English and French posters) are discussing the diffences in between the futur Captor-E and the present RBE2-AA . The Eurofighter will get a bigger array mounted on a swash-plate with more juice which means that the Eurofighter will enjoy a better radar range and a better bore-sight look . 2 key features for AtoA fighting and there is no need to deny it .

OTOH , we expect Thalès to keep an edge on beam forming and ECCMs and the RBE2-AA roadmap already includes GaN based modules , operational by 2018 which is not the case with the Captor-E who has no roadmap path so far .

The actual SPECTRA ECM suite will get the GaN modules in 2015-2016 .

The jump from GaAs to GaN will allow the radar to reach something like 260km range head-on vs a 3 square meters target as well as new ways to do beam forming and power management .

Since India wants the MMRCA fighter to be operational within the IAF by 2016 , the Rafale fits the bill while the Typhoon comes a bit short and its roadmap is not clearly known . 

We are discussing what a F4+ Rafale (2018) with GaN ECMs/Radar and OSF-NG loaded with 4 Meteors , 2 RF Micas , 2 IR Micas and a single supersonic drop-tank could do versus anything Pakistani or Chinese . Since the fighter has a very good internal fuel capability , it could drop the supersonic fuel tank before the merge and fight "clean" with its low RCS .

From where I stand , it is a formidable threat .

The Rafale already managed to force F-22s to call "Bingo" in WVR and it WILL force a Typhoon to go "Bingo" first if only internal fuel is available (to keep the RCS low) . Yes , they are not Paki or Chinese aircraft , just another 2 cents .

 

So , to come back to the thread at hand , could the futur F-35 compete in that area ? I don 't think so .

First , it hasn 't got the energy to fight high and fast . It is slow , its climb rate is not better than the F-18C and its weapon load is poor , REAL poor . A late Flanker can fight clean (no external fuel tank) with 12 missiles and it has fuel to burn , that 's for sure ! It also out accelerates and out turns the F-35 at every speed or altitude , coming at Mach 2.5 for a dash launch at high altitude and then keeping the energy high for WVR kill (just in case) is more than the F-35 can withstand . Even if the F-35 can out smart the RF missiles , it will have do deal with the IR ones since it can 't run away .

 

Against a Rafale or a Typhoon , the combat is going to be very different for the Flanker .

 

Cheers .