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Subject: How to judge what the best fighter plane is?
45-Shooter    1/3/2013 5:09:26 PM
I would list the following traits in the order of their importance; 1. Cruising speed under combat conditions. 2. Range/Persistence under combat conditions. 3. Flight qualities, specifically the ability to point the nose at the target easily and a very high rate of roll. 4. CL Guns with high MV/BC and rates of fire. 5. Pitch response, IE the rate at which you can load the plane. 6. Climb at Military Power. In WW-II terms, that means ~75-80% throttle, rich mixture and appropriate pitch on the prop.( A setting that can be held for at least 30 minutes!) 7. Top speed! To escape or run down the target. 8. Lastly the ability to turn in the so called "Dog Fight"! After you rate these choices, I'll mark the list with what I think is the strength of each atribute.
 
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45-Shooter       4/18/2013 12:37:19 PM


Not to say this unkindly, but when one plays others for fools, spouts utter ignorance, is caught lying about what he said, and tries to mask his falsehoods with claims he never said what he said, he deserves everything in approbation that he earns, especially when he pretends to a moral superiority his proven lies do not justify.

 

So I laugh at you. 

 

 

 

 

 

Such a pity that you have to have the last word?

 
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Maratabc       4/18/2013 1:14:40 PM
Why do you think I chose "Marat" as my nome de internet, devious one?
 
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45-Shooter       4/18/2013 1:33:46 PM

P-40; Good speed and range, tough old bird.
P-47; Toughest single engine plane of the war, good guns, power, performance and climb.
P-51; Good at it all, but great at very little besides range.
Mig-3? Scrappy little plane with better aerodynamic performance, great guns installation and not much else. 
Yak-1/3/9; Scrappy little plane with better aerodynamic performance, great guns installation and not much else.
Grumman F-4; Scrappy little plane with better aerodynamic performance, good guns installation and not much else.
Grumman F-6; Greatest carrier plane to see service in the war, but not competitive with the best land planes.
 
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45-Shooter    Do not have a clue!   4/18/2013 10:31:26 PM

Why do you think I chose "Marat" as my nome de internet, devious one?
While I had an American education from way back when they were still great, I do not remember what significance, if any is attached to that name. A Wiki search digs up nothing of interest, so why not tell me, o great one?

 
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Heorot       4/19/2013 2:11:14 PM

Why do you think I chose "Marat" as my nome de internet, devious one?
While I had an American education from way back when they were still great, I do not remember what significance, if any is attached to that name. A Wiki search digs up nothing of interest, so why not tell me, o great one?


So, Jean-Paul Marat means nothing to you oh stupid one? Try wiki again; he's in there.
 
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Heorot       4/20/2013 3:09:58 AM

Why do you think I chose "Marat" as my nome de internet, devious one?
While I had an American education from way back when they were still great, I do not remember what significance, if any is attached to that name. A Wiki search digs up nothing of interest, so why not tell me, o great one?


So, Jean-Paul Marat means nothing to you oh stupid one? Try wiki again; he's in there.
 
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45-Shooter       4/20/2013 4:18:23 PM

From WIKI; Marat was one of the mostextreme voices of the French Revolution and he became a vigorous defender of the sans-culottes; he broadcasted his views through impassioned public speaking, essay writing and newspaper journalism, which carried his message throughout France. Marat's radical denunciations of counter-revolutionaries supported much of the violence that occurred during the bloodiest phases of the French Revolution and his constant persecution of "enemies of the people", consistent condemnatory message and uncanny prophetic powers brought him the trust of extremists within the populace and made him their unofficial link to the radical Jacobin group that came to power in June 1793.
I never considered him, Marat, to be of any great significance because he was not. But what he was, was a rabble rouser and firebrand who exhorted policies that sent 10~100 thousand Frenchmen to their death, most of them innocent.
I have always thought of myself as a good guy. A true American Cowboy in the best sense of the word like the Lone Ranger, Cisco Kid, Roy Rogers and all the other great good guys. I never killed anyone who was not a valid, armed and offensive target and took pride in my accomplishments in opposition to evil! Yet you take the name of a guy who tried to have thousands of "Counter Revolutionaries" killed just because he did not like their politics?????? Is that why they are on the fifth, sixth, or is it seventh "French Republic" now, because they can not settle their differences peacefully???

 
 
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Maratabc       4/20/2013 5:19:38 PM
Our manners have been poisoned at their source; we no longer have any enthusiasm for heroism, any admiration for virtue, any love for libertyâ&O5533;&O5533; Today the art of pleasure is preferred to merit, vain pleasures to useful knowledge. For us a dancer is worth more than a wise man and a joker more than a hero.
 
 
One cannot learn from medical school the genius of Asclepius (Greek god of medicine), but one does acquire the vital knowledge which stops one from acting blindly and recklessly. Under the watchful eyes of a master, pupils learn how to use this knowledge, an understanding which is lost on the empirically minded.

es of the French Revolution and his constant persecution of "enemies of the people", consistent condemnatory message and uncanny prophetic powers brought him the trust of extremists within the populace and made him their unofficial link to the radical Jacobin group that came to power in June 1793.
I never considered him, Marat, to be of any great significance because he was not. But what he was, was a rabble rouser and firebrand who exhorted policies that sent 10~100 thousand Frenchmen to their death, most of them innocent.
I have always thought of myself as a good guy.^1  A true American Cowboy in the best sense of the word like the Lone Ranger, Cisco Kid, Roy Rogers and all the other great good guys.^4  I never killed anyone who was not a valid, armed and offensive target and took pride in my accomplishments in opposition to evil!^2 Yet you take the name of a guy who tried to have thousands of "Counter Revolutionaries" killed just because he did not like their politics?????? Is that why they are on the fifth, sixth, or is it seventh "French Republic" now, because they can not settle their differences peacefully???^4

 
1. You are a liar.
2. You have never killed. (See `1.)
3. You claim heroes who never lived, who are fantasies of your mind.
4. You do not know who Marat is or what he actually did, nor WHY. (See '1.)
5. You are a disgrace.
 
You would do well to think about this... an ponder how your writing betrays you, one called shooter.
 
 
For a fool shows his ignorance, one called Shooter, when you spout YOUR ignorance about Marat. If you would know Marat, READ Marat.   
 
 
 
 
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oldbutnotwise       4/21/2013 7:32:10 AM
I have always thought of myself as a good guy. A true American Cowboy in the best sense of the word like the Lone Ranger, Cisco Kid, Roy Rogers and all the other great good guys.
I think of you the same way, a fictitious  character with no connection to reality
 
I never killed anyone who was not a valid, armed and offensive target and took pride in my accomplishments in opposition to evil!
oh yes, the persecution of the natives, the wanton slaughter of the legal land owners, the arbiter killing of bad guys without due progress,  the resorting to lethal force at any opportunity,  the forcable imposition of values on a situation, yes lovely
 Yet you take the name of a guy who tried to have thousands of "Counter Revolutionaries" killed just because he did not like their politics?????? Is that why they are on the fifth, sixth, or is it seventh "French Republic" now, because they can not settle their differences peacefully???
and yet the US that has been around for what 250 years? has had the Civil war (which killed more US citizens than all the French internal war combined) the Indian wars and how many external wars? 
 
 
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45-Shooter       4/21/2013 3:59:05 PM

I have always thought of myself as a good guy. A true American Cowboy in the best sense of the word like the Lone Ranger, Cisco Kid, Roy Rogers and all the other great good guys.  I never killed anyone who was not a valid, armed and offensive target and took pride in my accomplishments in opposition to evil! Yet you take the name of a guy who tried to have thousands of "Counter Revolutionaries" killed just because he did not like their politics!!!!!!!!!! Is that why they are on the fifth, sixth, or is it seventh "French Republic" now, because they can not settle their differences peacefully???
 
 
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