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Subject: Credit cards Chinese-style
Zhang Fei    10/23/2008 12:47:59 AM
(Quote) Imagine there was a law that said if you missed two credit card payments in a row, you had to pay the full balance immediately, with heavy penalties. And if you didn't, your bank would take out an ad in your local newspaper, calling you a deadbeat. Or worse, thugs in suits might show up at your office, haul you down to the bank and keep you there for hours until you signed a promise to pay. Welcome to the world of plastic -- Chinese style. Chinese banks don't have national credit bureaus and sophisticated scoring models that allow them to churn out approvals in minutes. Instead, armies of young workers pore over paper applications, manually verifying one piece of information at a time. Yet banks in China have issued tens of millions of credit cards in recent years. Today, more than 100 million are in circulation among China's 1.3 billion people, up from just 3 million in 2003, according to analysts and bankers. Unlike American credit card firms, which are cutting back because of rising delinquencies, Chinese banks are stepping up their marketing of plastic. In the next five to 10 years, analysts say, China could issue 1 billion new cards, largely to a mass market that has little experience with credit. Chi Wei Joong, a former American Express Co. executive, runs the credit card operations for China Merchants Bank. He has more than 9,000 workers nationwide. In every major city, Joong's sales force researches office buildings, their occupancy rates, average rents and other statistics. A report is then sent to the bank's credit department, which assigns a credit score for the building before salespeople target folks who work there. "This is to control risk," Joong said. But if borrowers default, he doesn't hesitate to turn the accounts over to more than 100 collection agencies. Joong says fewer than 10% of his bad loans end up in court, but some people have gone to jail. Under Chinese law, a credit card user who intentionally defaults on a sum as little as $3,000 can be sentenced to as much as five years in prison. The tough regulations haven't stopped the steady increase in troubled credit card debts at China Merchants and other lenders. Analysts estimate that banks in China this year were writing off 2% to 3% of their credit card loans, less than half of the July charge-off rate of 6.6% in the U.S., according to Fitch Ratings. "In the U.S., all the credit card companies are chasing subprime borrowers" because most customers with good credit already have multiple cards, said Darwin Tu, chairman of Sino Credit Corp., an industry research and marketing firm. In China, he says, banks haven't saturated the prime market yet. On average, a Chinese credit card holder has no more than two cards, compared with five for Americans, said Tu, a Stanford University graduate who cut his teeth at Fair Isaac Corp. in California, which pioneered credit scoring. At China Merchants Bank, which has about 23 million credit cards outstanding, Joong says his department's loan-loss ratio has climbed from 0.67% in 2005 to at least 1.5% this year. Such numbers are likely to rise as more cards are issued to young adults, who belong to China's one-child generation, seen as more spendthrift than older Chinese. Among Chinese credit card users, more than 70% pay the entire balance every month, says Nie Junfeng, a manager in the Bank of China's personal finance department. "This may be related with the tradition that Chinese people, as the saying goes, don't like eating next year's food this year," he said. But the young generation is different, he said. "They're more comfortable spending tomorrow's money today." Deng Jialing, 27, got his first credit card from China Merchants Bank in 2006 when he was working for a cellphone parts manufacturer in Shenzhen, making a little more than $500 a month. His card's limit started at about $400, and like all Chinese credit cards, his had an 18.25% annual interest rate, set by the government. Deng bought a cellphone. The card was tapped out, and two months later, Deng got a second credit card, from China Construction Bank, the country's largest issuer of plastic. Said Sino Credit's Tu: "Once you get a card, you show that one to another bank and they give it to you. [The data's] not linked." After hitting the ceiling on the second card, Deng easily secured a higher credit limit. He applied for more cards, building up a balance of $17,000 at nine banks. His charges included electronic gadgets, food and a $4,000 hospital bill when he got pneumonia. For a while, he played a cash-advance game, taking out money from one card to pay the minimum monthly payment on another. Then, on a June evening, three big men in black turned up at his workplace in Shenzhen. Deng thought about slipping out the back door. But he met the men and followed them into a black sedan. Sandwiched between two of them in the back seat, Deng was taken to China Minsheng B
 
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Zhang Fei       10/26/2008 3:34:57 PM
Used to be that the whole point of using credit cards instead of loan sharks was to avoid the leg breakers. Turns out that Chinese credit card companies come with leg breakers.
 
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YelliChink       10/26/2008 3:47:33 PM

Used to be that the whole point of using credit cards instead of loan sharks was to avoid the leg breakers. Turns out that Chinese credit card companies come with leg breakers.


It's actually pretty common in Chinese countries. There are the kind of companies whose business is to get loan paid to their clients, which range from loan sharks to commercial banks. These companies are usually run by local gangs or affiliates of gangs. People there do not sympathize borrowers who don't pay.
 
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HERALD1357       10/26/2008 4:17:51 PM



Used to be that the whole point of using credit cards instead of loan sharks was to avoid the leg breakers. Turns out that Chinese credit card companies come with leg breakers.






It's actually pretty common in Chinese countries. There are the kind of companies whose business is to get loan paid to their clients, which range from loan sharks to commercial banks. These companies are usually run by local gangs or affiliates of gangs. People there do not sympathize borrowers who don't pay.

Makes you wonder what would happen to us if the PRCs ever get the upper hand?
 
The answer to that question is that I already KNOW. The Chinese do not play around when it comes to the bottom line. Communism, or capitalism; to the Chinese business is business.
 
 
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       10/27/2008 6:43:44 PM
And many of the top "collectors" are off duty street cops in the top 20 cities.  Even foreign entrepreneurs use this method on each other to collect debts. 
 
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