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Subject: Russia, China and Mongolia
AThousandYoung    10/16/2010 12:04:48 AM
Mongolia's in an interesting position surrounded by these two behemoths. If you were in charge of Mongolia's defense, how would you go about it? What if there were a Russian-Chinese war? How would you keep your people safe?
 
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YelliChink       10/16/2010 2:21:54 AM

Mongolia's in an interesting position surrounded by these two behemoths. If you were in charge of Mongolia's defense, how would you go about it? What if there were a Russian-Chinese war? How would you keep your people safe?

Fail mission. Simply put, they can't do it without siding with either neighbor.
 
There are twice as many Mogols living in China than total population of Mongolian. Funny thing is that Hazara people who are decent of Mongol military order in Afghan are more numerous than Mongolian nationals.
 
 
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WarNerd       10/16/2010 5:16:10 AM

Mongolia's in an interesting position surrounded by these two behemoths. If you were in charge of Mongolia's defense, how would you go about it? What if there were a Russian-Chinese war? How would you keep your people safe?

If only 1 of the 2 invades, surrender.
If the Russian-Chinese war breaks out and Mongolia is the invasion route (highly unlikely, access from all directions is very limited) have the population concentrate in several areas and appeal to the UN for protection and relief.  Basically offer both sides the same deal -- We stay out of your way and surrender to the winner.
 
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Tomdebomb       10/16/2010 1:28:29 PM
I thought about this whilst living there for 2 years , and hearing that they still have conscription despite a population of 3 million. basically the main problem is outside the Capital the invaders would have a hard job finding anyone and holding the land.
Japan tried before WW2 and failed thanks to a Russian General
 
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Zhang Fei       10/16/2010 10:54:32 PM
After the fall of the Qing dynasty in 1911, Mongolia, which was a Qing vassal much like Tibet, Korea (prior to its conquest by Japan) and Vietnam (prior to its conquest by France), declared independence. Its sovereignty has been guaranteed by Russia for the last century. Any Chinese invasion of Mongolia would be regarded by Russia as an act of war. The general consensus among analysts is that Russia insisted upon Mongolian sovereignty because of (1) the traditional view that the fall of an empire does not mean that the successor government gets to hang on to all of the empire's possessions, contrary to the Chinese view that any territory ever claimed or conquered by China at any point in history is Chinese for posterity, and (2) the Russian need to break the Sino-Russian border up into manageable sections, which the existence of Mongolia does quite adequately.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       10/21/2010 11:54:02 AM

After the fall of the Qing dynasty in 1911, Mongolia, which was a Qing vassal much like Tibet, Korea (prior to its conquest by Japan) and Vietnam (prior to its conquest by France), declared independence. Its sovereignty has been guaranteed by Russia for the last century. Any Chinese invasion of Mongolia would be regarded by Russia as an act of war. The general consensus among analysts is that Russia insisted upon Mongolian sovereignty because of (1) the traditional view that the fall of an empire does not mean that the successor government gets to hang on to all of the empire's possessions, contrary to the Chinese view that any territory ever claimed or conquered by China at any point in history is Chinese for posterity, and (2) the Russian need to break the Sino-Russian border up into manageable sections, which the existence of Mongolia does quite adequately.


China has been less quietly proclaiming the rest of Mongolia as "lost territory" while flooding the country with migrant laborers and gangsters.  The Russians, Brits, US, and Japanese have been training and equipping the Mongols and mercs are there for security at the many mines that are opening up.  Just check for expats jobs in mining, in Mongolia.
 
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phead128       6/1/2011 11:26:50 PM
To summarize,
 
Ever since the breakdown of the Soviet Empire, Mongolia's independent sovereignty cannot become guaranteed under the Soviet military might, which was undisputably more powerful than the Chinese military.
 
Now, despite firm historical Russian influence in the country, China's balance of power has shifted dramatically in China's favor in recent years, esp. since the breakdown of the Soviet Empire, and the rapid rise of the Chinese economic and industrial power.
 
Russia is still a strong power, and I would not predict aggression by China to retake Mongolia or Outer Manchuria, unless WW3 occurs.
 
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