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Subject: The Greatest Warriors in the World
Commander    3/25/2005 12:18:47 AM
Winston Churchill said in WW2 that the Filipino soldier is the greatest warriors in the world. For it was they who resisted the Japanese invasion for more than 50 days with no hope of victory. These men only surrendered because they were ordered to. Filipinos has a long history of resisting invaders but with little success. They deserve the title for they fought all occupiers the only reason why they failed was lack of unity. The Philippine Army can beet any army if they only manage to have the same weapons and training that of more advanced nations.
 
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Caznable    RE:The Greatest Warriors in the World   9/13/2005 4:38:32 PM
touche aye aye on that
 
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BasinBictory    RE:The Greatest Warriors in the World   12/29/2005 10:35:30 PM
I'd take it with a grain of salt. While the resistance of the Filipino soldiers during the Japanese invasion was noteworthy and praiseworthy, Churchill probably had similar comments for just about any national group that had been overrun by either the Japanese or Germans. At the risk of being politically incorrect, I believe that warriors that come from what had hitherto been a primitive society before colonialism, who have been trained, equipped, and officered by men from a developed nation who have actually studied tactics and logistics, have been historically the best units in warfare. Think about it. You've got the typical rank-and-file men who come from a culture where participating in war is a noble endeavor, which every man worth his salt longs to do, and you have an officer corps that actually understands the more academic aspects of warfighting, and you've got yourself a very potent unit.
 
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Matador    RE:The Greatest Warriors in the World   1/5/2006 3:26:04 AM
You give them too much credit. Never underestimate the effectiveness of people who are fighting just to save their own skins. When faced with the choice of death as a prisoner or death on your feet as a fighter, which would you take?
 
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doggtag    RE:The Greatest Warriors in the World   1/5/2006 4:45:18 AM
->"At the risk of being politically incorrect, I believe that warriors that come from what had hitherto been a primitive society before colonialism, who have been trained, equipped, and officered by men from a developed nation who have actually studied tactics and logistics, have been historically the best units in warfare. Think about it. You've got the typical rank-and-file men who come from a culture where participating in war is a noble endeavor, which every man worth his salt longs to do, and you have an officer corps that actually understands the more academic aspects of warfighting, and you've got yourself a very potent unit. " ->"You give them too much credit. Never underestimate the effectiveness of people who are fighting just to save their own skins. When faced with the choice of death as a prisoner or death on your feet as a fighter, which would you take? " Consider how many British colonial soldiers were lost to the early American colonists, backed by native American tribes, not to mention the difficulties the British had with the Zulus in southern Africa. As for the courage/bravery/strength of Philippines fighting men: when the US was unvolved in the "Philippine Insurrection" at the beginning of the 1900s, the Moros were no cake walk for US infantry, either. And speaking of Americans, wasn't Gen George A Custer supposed to have been a trained "officer that actually understands the more academic aspects of warfighting", but yet he was defeated by a bunch of "primitive savages". Go figure. And didn't the Russians get their heads handed to them by bands of ragtag holy rebel fighters in the mountains of Afghanistan a couple decades ago (irregardless of CIA support)? The onset of guerilla warfare tactics was the downfall of the (primarily European) nobility's ideals of "gentlemanly, disciplined warfare". And as the US has found out this last decade, superior training, tactics, and equipment is not always a guarantee of a quick and decisive victory. -> "When faced with the choice of death as a prisoner or death on your feet as a fighter, which would you take?" Glad to see someone else in this crazy world understands what freedom means. Does one live their lifetime cowering under the brutal iron will of tyranny, or make a stand and say, "Bullsh*t, This is MY home!" I'm sure many insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan have that opinion of the US now. But then again, they are in all respects the very tyrants using fear and iron will to oppress those citizens in the first place, just as Imperial Japanese ideals were trying to choke the life out of the Philippines in the early 1940s.
 
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Matador    RE:The Greatest Warriors in the World   1/6/2006 9:50:55 AM
All excellent and lucid points. I think where I was going with that, however poorly I initially stated, is that the warrior culture in the asian world and that of the european world appear vastly different. You could divide it between the "Civilized world" and the "uncivilized world" for lack of a better term but in european warfare of the past few hundred years, the foot soldier was more often in battle because his leader/master/lord told him to. When the battle ended, he walked away. Maybe even had a drink with his opponent across the field. In the US Civil War there are many reports of North and South troops crossing lines in the night to have a drink and play cards with each other. You don't see this in the "primative" armies. They are out for blood and fight a complete kill or be killed type of warfare. Thats what made them more dangerous or effective. The lack of fear or the total committment to the fight will always overcome the individual who is just there because its his job.
 
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S-2    RE:The Greatest Warriors in the World   1/6/2006 9:38:17 PM
Don't compare this to the American Civil War. That was brother against brother here. If they did cross lines to drink and play cards, they also crossed back in time the next morning to charge into the fire of their card playing friends and be slaughtered by the thousands. Moreover, if they could sneak into their opponent's positions, then they could have easier snuck away to desert-but didn't. Too many dead in that civil war to be a valid reference for your point.
 
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Matador    RE:The Greatest Warriors in the World   1/8/2006 7:18:24 AM
Merely using it as an example. I could use various others if you'd prefer. Perhaps the "Christmas Party" of WWI, where armies of either side meet for a celebration of Christmas in the middle of a major battle. Or how about Naval Warfare in the age of Napoleon? Ships would fire as much lead and death at each other, Rip, maim and destroy one another with cannon fire, board with cutlasses flying, hacking each other. But the moment the flag came down, you dropped your sword and became a "non-combatant". You were then treated, and dropped off at the nearest port for repatriation..so you could go get back on another ship. How many "prisoners" have been captured after laying down their arms in battle? Now, conversely, lets take the last bastion of "uncivilized" warafare: Africa. How many prisoners do you see during the Rwanda civil war? You either died fighting or you died hiding. Either way, you died. So, my point (if I had one) was that the tenacity of the philipino fighters was, in my opinion, a common trait to be found in fighters who fight genuinely for their lives vice for a cause or due to orders from high.
 
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kane    RE:haha   1/15/2006 11:23:35 AM
did winston churchill had the power to make a nation greatest warrior. After korean war turks were heroic warriors. it is about the peoples's personalities and in Turkey we have many people that loves fighting(not a great thing) it's about our history.always war because they want to sack us.i believe turks are the best warriors because they are nationalists and i know their personalities.if you lead turks well they would become the greatest warriors of all times :D
 
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S-2    RE:The Greatest Warriors in the World/Matador Reply   1/15/2006 12:24:49 PM
Your example was poor, as is your hypothesis that western (civilized)nations routinely exhibit some heightened sense of chivalry in combat. "Christmas Parties" aside, whether W.W.I, or battles/wars since, combatants are subject to all sorts of brutality-regardless from where they come. Woe be the machine-gun position that, having killed numerous advancing troops, decides to surrender. All too often this choice would be a mistake, given the carnage that was experienced at the hands of said gunner-whether the combatants had shared a drink the night before, or not. I will say that "rules of war" have promoted through the Geneva/Hague conventions some sense of appropriateness to combat where civilians are part of the mix. Even then adherance can be sporadic.
 
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watchman    RE:The Greatest Warriors in the World   7/21/2006 3:27:34 AM
Yes filipino soldiers are very brave in desperate situations. But why wait for a situation to deteriorate? Why not prevent a problem before it takes place? One of the main reasons why Filipino & Americans soldiers were trap in Bataan because the Philippine Airforce & US planes were wipe out by Japanese during the Clark Airbase raid. Despite being informed that Pearl harbour was already bomb & Japanese will surely attack the Philippines, almost all Filipino pilots were caught sleeping inside their barracks when the Japanese attach them after lunch time. The Filipino bad habbit of taking siesta naps even in the middle of the war cause its undoing.
 
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