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Subject: Canada vs Oz
DropBear    10/1/2004 9:53:11 AM
G'day, fellas, Just wanted to see the reaction wrt a thread I started on the Armed Forces of the World page. The thread is titled Canada vs Australia. It's meant to be friendly debate/rivalry over hypothetical war. So far, no Canadians have responded, so I thought I'd give you bloke a heads-up. Join in and lets "get it on" :) .
 
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Maple man    RE:Canada vs Oz   10/3/2004 12:07:48 PM
Well you have to be alot more specific.Are we talking out right invasion by one or the other and it would depend on who is attacking who first,and at what time of the year.I doubt very much many Aussies know what a snowflake even looks like. In Canada we very rarely get above 35 degrees C in the summer which is only a solid 2 months long.So can you see how this can have a major effect on the outcome of any conflict between our two great nations.Canada spends more militarily than Australia and Canada is part of the G7 ,is Australia G7,I don't know if they are or not but Canada is an industrial power and could in my opinion out produce Australia,but Astralia has a navy that would put Canada's to shame there are so many different factors that would come into play but I think if it came down to it Canada would prevail but that is only because of production capacity and natural resources available to Canada.
 
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DropBear    RE:Maple Man   10/8/2004 1:19:16 AM
The thread was on the other forum page as I explained. It gives better detail. No Oz is not part of G7, I don't know why, as our economy is outstripping almost all OECD countries at the moment. Where I come from I don't get snow, however, NSW/Victoria?tasmania it snows!!!! 35C is a mild Spring day where I am from. If you blokes spend more on defence than us, why is it that most peoples opinion is that Oz would wax Canada? Even your fellow Canadians, begrudgingly say Oz would win. Why is that? We spend around $AUD13 billion on defence (can't give you a Canadian exchange rate). Your comment on natural resources. Do you mean available manpower, or are you talking about coal, steel etc? Have a look at my original thread on the world forces(?) page and see what your fellow countrymen have said. I think they disagree with you. Cya, mate :) .
 
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Ehran    RE:Maple Man   10/10/2004 2:53:30 AM
depends on the term of the war. if it's as is where is then australia has an advantage. if it's a full on war to the knife then canada has some advantages that are going to kill australia. we have interior lines of supply that are harder to disrupt particularly for oil. we have more people to mobilize and more industry to crank out toys. assuming the americans stay neutral we have far better access to their industrial might and more money to buy toys with. given time to build up i think canada would hold the edge though it would be an ugly bloody fight. the battle of kapjong in korea comes to mind actually. as good as the aussies were they got pushed off their hill and while they did manage to withdraw in good order the important thing was that they had to give ground. the canadian reg't across the way was the same size, same support and attacked by similar sized forces held their ground.
 
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scholar    RE:Maple Man   10/10/2004 11:53:49 AM
OK, I'm not Canadian, but I thought I'd throw in my 50 cents anyway. 1. May such a war never come to pass. 2. My uninformed opinion is that Canada would win if it could hang in there long enough to mobilize and ramp up it's industry. Oz is a country that increasingly punches above its weight, but Canada still weighs more. It just needs time to start throwing some serious punches. The big issue, not addressed here is allies. Ignoring the US (this is make-believe, after all, there are lots of pacific rim countries that would have an interest in the outcome of such a war. I don't know who would pick which side, but it might help determine the outcome.
 
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bunglefoot    RE:Can Vs. Oz   10/11/2004 10:16:38 PM
I think for a limited coastal-type engagement (around OZ guaranteed around Canada probably), Aus. would whup my countries butt hands down. Our military has just rusted away too much to mean much in the short term against a similarly trained foe albeit with much better hardware. As for a long term battle with no hostile parties outside Can. and Aus., I think Canada would win. Not a lot of people are directly aware of this, but Canada's military is geared towards 'getting up to speed' quickly (if it really matters and warrants the expenditure). Especially since the most heavily industrialized part of the country is on the least convenient part of the country for Aus. Namely: the atlantic areas. It's hard to get to for them. Attempting to resupply units that they have sent around to the atlantic would suck horrendously without allies. Of course, that being said it seems like a reasonable assumption that Aus. would be able to maintain a blockade of the west coast, which gives us a similar disadvantage when trying to remove the blockade. I still think a war of annihilation type conflict would come down to Canada's larger physical size, and greater material resources, but neither scenario would be a cakewalk for either side.
 
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Maple man    RE:Maple Man   10/11/2004 10:34:10 PM
Hi there ,in response to your comments,you do not have to look very far to find info on the comparison between our two great nations.There is lots of info provided by strategy page themselves.Anyways I was meaning by natural resources that we have more iron/ore,petroleum,wheat,beef,uranium,so on and so on.Did you understand my point about the climate?It would play an enormous role in the outcome,we can't handle the heat as well as you and I am sure you could not handle our -35 degrees celcius along with the frequent 30 to 40 centimetre snowfalls,so if you invade then you would get creamed just like the germans in Russia when they invaded in the middle of the winter during the second world war,BUT if you attacked in the summer it would be a totally different scenario.I can't see how you would "wax" us seeing how your armed forces are not much larger than ours and I am not even sure what your totals are but we number approx 60,000 total including reserves.To get to our nations capital you would have to cover a fair amount of land coming from the west,and don't forget the huge mountains called the Rockies you would have to get over.Now lets assume you are atacking from the east,you would have to go all the way down the St.Lawrence seaway to even come within 300 km of our capital by which the rest would have to be done by land.Now that said if you were to attack we would have a fair bit of heads up coming from the east seeing how you would have to cross the Indian ocean first then the Atlantic and by then we would be well fortified down the seaway.By the time you got to the Gaspe Peninsula our navy would be waiting and yes you would probably walk over them but you would be in rough shape and in no condition militarily and psyhologically to handle the seaways fortifications.But don't get me wrong if we were to try and invade your country we would have our hands full too.I would hope this would never come to pass but you have to be realistic when looking at these scenarios,we have two great nations who have tons of fight when it comes to war but one on one I would have to say in the long run Canada would prevail simply because of economics.so anyone that says Australia would "wax"Canada is not looking at the big picture,besides if we started scrapin both the U.S. and the U.K would step in,give us both a lickin,revoke our independance,and tell us to smarten ta hell up!
 
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kuznet    RE:Maple Man   10/28/2004 10:34:03 PM
as a Canadian, the Aussies have the better air force and navy.. we have the industrial base to turnaround later..
 
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