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Subject: What Mexico is and what is not
ajoyagua    12/12/2005 7:48:49 PM
In response to Kalaloch's reply on the Mexico taking over Topic where she/he wrote "personally, I am getting sick and tired of hearing about how hard-working and self-sacrificing hispanics are. If they weren't so downright lazy and apathetic, Mexico wouldn't be rife with corruption and a third-world economy. The only reason Mexico wouldn't be invaded is that no one wants to deal with their inept, undereducated, an unmotivatable populace. This is a nation that during two World Wars the United States had to keep military units along our southern border out of concern Mexico would side with the Axis powers. Mexico's expansion was checked on April 21, 1836." Obviously, this person is not friendly to Mexico, mush less he knows about Mexico. He like many people of the United States only see what their society makes them see. Many many issues can be said about the relationship of the United States and the Mexican Republic. However, somet hings have to be put clear: 1)Immigration- Obviously people from Mexico cross to the United States for the sole purpose of money. Some for better life. Whatever the reason may be...and it is fault of the Mexican government for selling Mexican themselves. However 2) Mexico is not a country of inept, lazy,unmotivated people. Stigamatizing Mexicans like that is rude. Mexico like any other nation has very good universities, institutions and most important of all very intelligent people. Judging a whole nation like that is just wrong. The US exploits Mexico with the NAFTA, it really is a way of unfair trading and who cares how the Mexican citizen feels? Mexico does have a conscience. But unlike the US, Mexico has to deal with its internal problems differently. Mexicans don't use the death penalty, Mexico has universal healthcare system, even when some resources are lacking, people have the right to be treated. Howcome in the riches nation of the world do you see homeless people? Answer that Americans. Now back to the powerful. The Mexican elite are not different from the rest of the world's elite of scientist, enterpreneurs,doctors, public figures etc. People with economic and political power want to retain that power by keeping the people poor and ignorant. That in my opinion is the position of the neo capitalist conservatives of Mexico who lead a life of millionaires. The popular left wing politicians like Lopez Obrador are the ones the people who want democracy and a better Mexico should support. Why? Think about it. If Mexico grows in its economy less people would come to the United States. Many Mexicans return home bacuse they hate it in the United States, where they feel disenpowered honestly because they dont speak the language, they are subject to the abuse of other Latin Americans in the US. Mexicans love their country where they are truely free. Mexico support peace, that is why it never intervenes in any forgeign affair. That is the motto of Juarez: "El derecho al respeto ajeno es la paz". Don't forget that Mexico, a nascent nation in the 1820s had not very much people in it, it could not have control of its vast territories that were lost to the United States. The US aggresively invaded Mexico and forced it to sell its lands. That is no reason for a modern Mexican to hate the United States. Also it is unfair for Mexico to be labeled as a US clone because one big difference exists, even though the Mexicas (true name for the Aztecs) were killed either by disease or by spanish arms many other civilizations prevailed. Mexico is vast in indigenous languages and it should not be reduced to the popular civilizations like Mayans and Aztecs. We have our roots here in the American continent (from alaska to mar del fuego), you Americans are European persecuted peoples, at least your decendents were. And it may be now that Eurpeans and even Arabs are my ancestors too but most of my blood in indigenous. And today it should NOT be an issue war with Mexico. Rather cooperation. The US is simply a war nation, while the US needs to prove its worth, its superiority by military might, Mexico does not need to prove anything at all. We do not need guns against nations, our criminals exist because you pay them with your drug consumption. Your provide the business for them. Our children do not need drugs and much less your media garbage that idioticizes your young kids. All empires fall. If the United States doesnt change its foreign policies it would run into trouble not by the outside but form the inside. Its crippling, you no longer lead the percentage of high skilled jobs of the total workforce. Innovation and reception the ideas of foreign geniuses are what made the US a strong power, not its post independence native people. Iran might be your Pandora's Box. I don't want you to poen it, I love the US, specially California, home to Silicon Valley and a genius like myself.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    RE:What Mexico is and what is not   12/13/2005 1:26:55 AM
Just one quicky to point out. "The US aggresively invaded Mexico and forced it to sell its lands. " Mexico's lands in the US were inherited from the Spanish empire, the only aboriginals were the indian tribes. What the US did was simply take territory away from another empire.
 
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Azmodius    RE:What Mexico is and what is not   12/22/2005 10:56:29 AM
Ajoyagua, I would just like to say as an American who has lived all over the country and grew up in northern CA, i have NO idea where the idea that mexicans are lazy, etc comes from. i dont think i have ever met a mexican who didnt work his/her ass off at whatever job they did and who wasnt polite and respectful of others either here or in mexico. Ive visited cancun and the desert southwest (nogales) a few times. good people. How this stereotype got around that your people are lazy baffles me. i currently live in St Louis and there are plenty of mexican nationals around. i never hear my friends complain or talk bad about them. while i may disagree with some of the other points about goverment and history, thats no reason to hate or be confrontational. i think ofand respect Mexico as a great country in its own right and a good place to visit.
 
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Omahashi       1/4/2009 3:54:57 AM
Now With All Respect To You Azmodius. Although I Agree With What You Say, I Cannot Help But Think To Myself That Where The Person That Said Mexicans Are Lazy Went Wrong Was Not In Insulting The Mexican People But In Not Seeing Them As Individual People. It Is Not The Nationality That Makes A Person Lazy It Is The Person Themselves. Being A Mexicano Myself And Living/Working In Such A Great Country As The US, I Can Honestly Say That The Laziest Person I Have Ever Worked With Was Of Mexican Nationality. Insidentaly, The Hardest Worker I Have Ever Worked With Was Also Of Mexican Nationality. Now Don't Get Me Wrong I Have Also Worked With Other People From Varios Areas Of The World And They All had Something In Common, They Were All People. Every Nationality I Have Worked With Has Had Their Horrible Workers And Their Great Ones.Now I Will Say It Again, It Is Not The Nation They Come From That Makes An Individual Lazy It Is The Individual Themselves That Are Lazy.
 
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mangokiwi316       1/4/2009 11:33:30 PM
Thank you for your comment :) I'm Mexican but grew up in the SF Bay Area. I can honestly say that I love the U.S. as much as you do because it has given me everything. My life is here: great friends, great people, great opportunities (in every sense of the word), all leading to personal and spiritual growth. We, as Americans, are blessed to be part of this great country due to its position as a world leader. But let's not take that for granted and instead be greatful so that we continue on our leadership path and regain the respect the rest of the world once had for us; so that they look up to us rather than hate us. Now, having lived in Mexico from birth until the age of 9, I have nothing but good memories and apreciation of Mexico. I love Mexico, as I love the U.S., and miss it to death. Hence it's hard for me to believe that someone like Kalaloch would make such a terrible comment about a great country such as Mexico. So again, thank you for your input. It gives me great satisfaction to know that there are many citizens like yourself who understand that world around us, the world outside the U.S., or at least take the time and interest to travel to other countries open their minds to their culture. I myself have traveled a lot in the U.S. and I love it because it gives me an understanding of what life is like outside of the Bay Area and CA for that matter; it allows me to appreciate where I come from and where I'm bound... take care!
 
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mangokiwi316       1/4/2009 11:36:43 PM
Thank you for your comment :) I'm Mexican but grew up in the SF Bay Area. I can honestly say that I love the U.S. as much as you do because it has given me everything. My life is here: great friends, great people, great opportunities (in every sense of the word), all leading to personal and spiritual growth. We, as Americans, are blessed to be part of this great country due to its position as a world leader. But let's not take that for granted and instead be greatful so that we continue on our leadership path and regain the respect the rest of the world once had for us; so that they look up to us rather than hate us. Now, having lived in Mexico from birth until the age of 9, I have nothing but good memories and apreciation of Mexico. I love Mexico, as I love the U.S., and miss it to death. Hence it's hard for me to believe that someone like Kalaloch would make such a terrible comment about a great country such as Mexico. So again, thank you for your input. It gives me great satisfaction to know that there are many citizens like yourself who understand that world around us, the world outside the U.S., or at least take the time and interest to travel to other countries open their minds to their culture. I myself have traveled a lot in the U.S. and I love it because it gives me an understanding of what life is like outside of the Bay Area and CA for that matter; it allows me to appreciate where I come from and where I'm bound... take care!
 
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mangokiwi316    What Mexico Is.   1/4/2009 11:43:32 PM
I will tell you all what Mexico is: A great country.
1.  Of great natural beauty and abundant resources. 
2. Of great people who are respectful of eachother and to others.
3. Of amazing culture, traditions.
4. An emerging economy, a middle income country with great potential on this increasingly globalizing world.
 
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HERALD1357    Every Mexican I ever worked alongside..........   1/5/2009 12:06:57 AM
outworked me by at least 50% when the crunch came.
 
All I had to do was give the man the respect he deserved and I could ask anything possible of him and he would deliver.

I couldn't do that with many others.
 
Filipinos would match Mexicans in this performance .Chinese would. Guatemalans would. Japanese would. Egyptians couldn't, nor could Saudis.
 
I cannot speak specifically to other cultures besides these. 
 
I guess it depends on the man and how he learned.
 
Case by case, and I'm loath to generalize, but that is my experience.
 
Herald

 
 
 
 
 
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