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Subject: if China invaded North America what would happen?
kuznet 4/25/2004 11:50:11 PM

Seriously I know this is ludicrous, since China does not have the logistical capability let alone the transport assets. But let's assume they did what do y'all think would be the result on both sides. I mean invasion of USA/Canada.. Remember for how bad the PRC is they still have 20+ nukes longrange, over 200+ su27/30's. X2 Sovremenny's with sunburn missles that are designed to hit naval assets. Lastly they have all those cheap ming subs+ few kilos to create havoc in the Taiwan corrider for us CVN fleets. No doubt the USA could mount massive destruction with the press of a few buttons, let alone the navy and usaf also. I see massive casualties if nukes were launched on Bejing, Shanghai and all other major centres. Same goes for LA,and all the US west coast to Vancouver BC.. crazy thought if USA defends Taiwan this could happen? ^_* I hope this science fiction never materializes. NYET btw I am in North America..

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onenil 5/4/2012 9:10:09 AM

but when they send 250 million troops,

Please put down the crack pipe.

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Spritie 5/4/2012 12:54:43 PM

250 Million troops! the logistics alone would take many years to setup just to deal with that many troops. You will also have to train, arm, feed and house that many troops. How about transporting that many troops to the battle field, how are they going to do that? How much $ will that cost? They would go broke just getting ready for the attack. Even if they are able to get that many troops together, it will be impossible to hide them from the western world. It will never happen.

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CJH Futile Speculation 5/6/2012 2:55:57 PM

The premise is flawed if it limits Chinese methodologies to military ones.

IIRC the SP commentators like to observe that the methodology of Sun Tsu's "The Art of War"(or is it "Art of War"?) is central to Communist China's current strategic thinking. Such a centrality would seemingly preclude the employment of any large amount of military force on its part.

Victory, ideally for them, would be gained without firing a shot.

I would recommend the notion that China is already "invading" the US now. Note that, and I posted a link to the article some time back, there was a news article consisting of an interview with a Washington Post editor in which the editor stated that he believed that the US should not be the world's only superpower. I believe that article was on an official Chinese media site.

The Soviet KGB applied the term "agents of influence" to academics, media people, etc who advocated for Soviet postions in this country. I would not discount the possibility that our newspaper editors are immune to official Chinese influence.

Poland is a sovereign country now but at the close of the 18th century it had been divided and swallowed up by its neighbors. I believe the process that had led to that situation had started when Poland was the dominant power in Eastern Europe. A significant part of that early process consisted of the agents of Louis XIV, King of France, bribing members of the Polish Sejm or parliament. The Sejm allowed the liberum veto by which facility the parliament could be subject to paralysis (The ever collegial US Senate allows, I believe, for something which approaches this at least to a limited extent). The bribes helped to weaken and divide Poland.

I am confident that China's government, if it avoids its own internal problems, can eventually exert the same type and degree of influence here with its money (If it is not doing so already).

One problem with the kind of big government the leftists here want is that centralized governmental power and authority afford a hostile power an easier way to gain control of a country simply by gaining control of that central power and authority first.

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CJH 5/6/2012 9:51:06 PM

I found the article with the Washington Post editor -

"I don't think US should be th...

"The ideologues in the Bush administration are very influential in decisions made toward Iraq and other provocative moves by the administration. But still there is a level of pragmatism that plays a role in the Bush administration's decisions. For example, The US relations with China today is on a very pragmatic footing right now.

Yong Tang: In such sense, do you think America should be the leader of the world?

Bennett:

No, I don't think US should be the leader of the world. My job is helping my readers trying to understand what is happening now. What is happening now is very difficult to understand. The world is very complex. There are various complex forces occurring in it. I don't think you can imagine a world where one country or one group of people could lead everybody else. I can't imagine that could happen. I also think it is unhealthy to have one country as the leader of the world. People in other countries don't want to be led by foreign countries. They may want to have good relations with it or they may want to share with what is good in that country.

That is also a sort of colonial question. The world has gone through colonialism and imperialism. We have seen the danger and shortcomings of those systems. If we are heading into another period of imperialism where the US thinks itself as the leader of the area and its interest should prevail over all other interests of its neighbors and others, then I think the world will be in an unhappy period.

Yong Tang: So the world order should be democratic?

Bennett: Democracy means many things. How do you define democracy? As a Chinese journalist, you may have your own definition of democracy which corresponds to your history and your way of seeing the world. I may have another definition. Someone else may have their own definitions. Democracy means a lot of different things.

Let me give an example. Democracy in one sense means the majority decides, but it also means the rights of the minority are protected. As UK late Prime Minister Winston Churchill said, democracy is the least bad system that we have ever thught of. So democracy is never perfect. It always has problems. Our democracy here in the US has many contradictions, problems and challenges. So democracy is not a cure that could turn everything bad into good. It has its own advantages and its disadvantages. "

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CJH 5/14/2012 10:36:55 AM

Lawmakers stay largely silent ...

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Awasthama 12/12/2012 5:01:09 PM

Seriously, didn't read it all. Didn't have the time. Here are my 2 cents. Read the 3rd and last prophecy of George Washington. Remember most of wars of the last century were all started to promote the New World Order. The last coffin in nail is America. These are gangs, supplied with weapons from the banks. They want population reduction and freedom is the last thing on their mind. America is the ultimate goal. They need to create a boogie man, just like the cold war, The Nazis. Now it is Islam. Next it is America and Israel. Connect the dots. Best way to fight this is first of all is not to react. Stay silent and work from safe distance. They don't know who you are. And if they do, there are too many of us for them to come after us. And if they do, then it is time to act. War is inevitable, when they after your extinction. Stay alert and be prepared, you are not alone.

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Kase 6/17/2014 11:54:50 AM

Okay, so I am here because I have had this strange feeling that this is going to occur. So I searched the Internet. I have heard stories of an acquaintance' family ( asian, viet-chinese decent) sitting around the dinner table discussing a north American invasion( this was years ago). The story I heard was China would come over the polar ice cap down through our arctic. Then use the mountains as cover following the rocky's down towards the US. For some reason every other time things like this have become discussed inevitably everyone assumes the battle will be fought here in Canada. What of armament? Has anyone ever considered that life imitates art? What have they been making stories of for 25 years? Gundam suits. Giant, human controlled humanoid robots.... heavy infantry. imagine. The thing is... China is prob crazy enough to do it.. no? Who knows... food for thought. I welcome thoughts and ideas people. This has been rattling around in my head for quite a whole now.

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WarNerd 6/19/2014 1:40:42 AM

Okay, so I am here because I have had this strange feeling that this is going to occur. So I searched the Internet. I have heard stories of an acquaintance' family ( asian, viet-chinese decent) sitting around the dinner table discussing a north American invasion( this was years ago). The story I heard was China would come over the polar ice cap down through our arctic. Then use the mountains as cover following the rocky's down towards the US. For some reason every other time things like this have become discussed inevitably everyone assumes the battle will be fought here in Canada.
What of armament? Has anyone ever considered that life imitates art? What have they been making stories of for 25 years? Gundam suits. Giant, human controlled humanoid robots.... heavy infantry. imagine. The thing is... China is prob crazy enough to do it.. no? Who knows... food for thought. I welcome thoughts and ideas people. This has been rattling around in my head for quite a whole now.

Will China invade and occupy Siberia first, or just overfly it with Russian permission? Otherwise the proposed route is utterly rediculous. Either way Russia will probably end up nuking China in response.

I suspect that you have gotten your stories mixed up and that is a scenario for a Russian invasion, I think they even made a perfectly forgettable movie about it.

As for the giant humanoid robots, there are a number of other threads that thoroughly discuss and dismiss them as viable. Look them up.

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Tootall Okay, so I am here because I have had this strange feeling that this is going to occur 7/22/2014 3:58:47 PM

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Canada, as of this writing hosts thousands, if not tens of thousands of Chinese nationals employed in the mining and resource sectors which are spread across Canada, well north of any major city and beyond prying eyes. Canada has, under the current government sold in excess of 20 Billion dollars worth of property and resources to the many corporate entities of the Chinese government, which do not hire local Canadians but import Chinese to work the mines, oil and gas wells, refineries,water treatment facilities and pipelines. I suppose that the labour force in the bush is somewhat limited which gives the Canadian government leway to allow the influx of foreign labour but the Chinese are also allowed to bring in heavy industrial equipment which they say is cheaper than buying north american equipment; using their own equipment means not having to teach their workforce English.

All of these resources taken from Canadian soil must be sent home to China which demands an increase in pipeline and rail transport infrastructure, marine terminals and security. Without the ability to ship resources, equipment and manpower in and out of the Canadian north, the Chinese investments would be worthless. As you may have read, there are protests over the new pipelines to the west coast but the terminals at Terrace and Kitimat appear to be going ahead and just recently many of the native bands have agreed to financial recompense for having pipelines, roads and utilities blasted through their land. Canada also has a long established but little publicized transport network through the arctic ocean from the makenzie river delta to alaska and the straight.

Now, what would happen if things got environmentally bad in China? We know that they are down to about 30% of their fresh water and we know that they must reduce coal burning or die of suffocation. We also know that agriculture in China is taking a big hit from both the lack of fresh water and poor air quality while the population of China is growing at a faster pace than any time in the last few decades. I imagine that the tipping point is only a few years away, at which time the Chinese government will be forced to act or let their population die off. You can bet that if we, here in this little forum can see what's going on then the Chinese have been working out the scenarios for many years. Water, food, energy and property have already been given to the Chinese; it is only logical that when push comes to shove they will come here, and Alaska using the guise of industry and existing working relationships to facilitate equipment and manpower placement.

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HR Too Tall 7/22/2014 6:27:04 PM

I am so sorry about the fire sale that you Canadians are having... it is almost like reading Dr. No and his guano harvesting cover for other more nasty things all over again... if you just had James Bond he would take care of it.

We are no different in the USA. You get the right politicians in and they will auction to the highest bidder all they can lay their hands on and privatize everything that is essential. No different...

But as far as China they do not have that sort of history... they are more likely to implode in chaos with all the different minorities spinning centrifugally away from the central government. Those Chinese in Canada? Well, they will become like the ones in Singapore... or Jamaica. The Chinese assimilate pretty decently... mostly because home is so crazy.

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