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Subject: The Mosque at ground zero....
RockyMTNClimber    8/8/2010 10:53:10 AM
Every revolution requires victory. No force may continue to put soldiers, or in this case terrorists, into the field without at least some signs of progress. The New York City Mayor's office and US Progressives have provided our enemies with a major sign of hope for pending victory. They are allowing a Mosque to be built in the rubble of the 911 Twin Towers. A scant block or so from the actual site of the attacks. The City didn't have to do this. They could have used any number of methods, hey how about common sense?, to redirect these builders to another less sensitive site. Instead they chose to show the world that America's enemies are advancing their agenda against US & against them. This will aid in recruitment and funding of future attacks. It will offset the gains we have made taking the war to our enemy in the Middle east, here at home, and around the world. It could potentially offer sanctuary to enemies of the city itself. This is another clear indicator that "Elections have consequences" Check Six Rocky
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Breaking ground on 9/11/2010..... Really.   8/8/2010 11:01:43 AM
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Some back ground......   8/8/2010 11:33:58 AM
This piece is written by Douglas Hagmann mailto:[email protected] He has included his links for his claims.


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Introduction

For the last several months, I have been covertly investigating the people, power and money behind the proposed ?9/11 mega mosque? planned for the old Burlington Coat Factory situated just two blocks from ?Ground Zero? in lower Manhattan. In order to provide the most comprehensive and fact-based insight into this issue as possible, I deliberately postponed publishing any reports until my investigation, consisting of direct and indirect inquiries, procurement of records, and the use of operational assets to develop information was complete.

While any person of reasonable sensibilities and a working moral compass could legitimately find the construction of an Islamic center in such close proximity to the graveyard of thousands of innocent Americans of 9/11 objectionable, there are many proponents who argue that its construction will serve as an example of American understanding, tolerance, compassion and respect for a religion that has been maligned by the actions of a minority. The legitimacy of the argument on behalf of its placement should become moot by simply citing two basic but important concepts: historical precedent and the understanding that Islam is more than a religion. If those points fail to convince an ostensibly objective audience as they have to-date, then the results of my investigation should cause anyone with the least bit of intellectual honesty to strongly object to any Islamic structure being built at the intended location.

With regard to historical precedent, the Dome of the Rock could serve as ?Exhibit A? and the conversion of the former Byzantine basilica Hagia Sofia in Istanbul, Turkey as ?Exhibit B? in the symbolism of Islamic conquest. In both instances, the mosques are perceived in the world of Islam as iconic symbols of victory over a beaten, subservient populace. Their importance in Islamic history and current significance relative to the stated objectives of Islam to dominate rather than coexist cannot be overstated, but is unfortunately overlooked or characterized as irrational hyperbole. Such oversight has always had longstanding adverse consequences to nations and their people who have failed to learn from history.

Based on a plethora of historical examples that include the foregoing, it should be clear that the building of a mosque or a mosque within an Islamic center so near the epicenter of the 9/11 attacks will be perceived as a symbol of Islamic conquest in the Muslim world, despite the perpetual denials by so-called moderate Muslims and regardless of modern sensibilities of ?well reasoned? Western thought.  Much like the Christians in the Ottoman Empire at the time of the conversion of the basilica to a mosque, the building of this mosque will most assuredly be perceived and promoted as a very special humiliation of the West.  And as in the cases cited, this will only become clear after it is too late.

Furthermore, one must understand that Islam is not merely a religion, but a combination of theological, political, and cultural imperatives that includes the ultimate objective of imposing Islam and Sharia law worldwide, subjugating all else to Islam. It is critical to understand that a mosque built so near the epicenter of the carnage at the World Trade Center site does not hold the same significance to Americans ? under our Western ideology and reason ? that it does to adherents of Islam and the Islamic world. Without t

 
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RockyMTNClimber    Some Opinion.....   8/8/2010 12:37:35 PM

No Mosque

WASHINGTON -- There is an awful lot of blowzy thought swirling around the proposed mosque to be raised two blocks from Ground Zero in lower Manhattan. Frankly, I doubt that at any other time in our history, such a debate would be taking place. People would know that when thugs intoning "Allahu Akbar" have slaughtered hundreds of innocent Americans on American soil, it is inappropriate to raise a mosque nearby. The majority of Americans alive today know this. Polling indicates that with them it is a nonstarter. Now the Anti-Defamation League's national director, Abraham H. Foxman, has weighed in on the side of good sense. One hopes this debate is coming to an end.

In the current issue of The American Spectator Angelo M. Codevilla posits two Americas. The first is the Ruling Class: "Today's ruling class," he writes "from Boston to San Diego, was formed by an educational system that exposed them to the same ideas and gave them remarkably uniform guidance, as well as tastes and habits.? Many began their careers in government and leveraged their way into the private sector.? Hence whether formally in the government, out of it, or halfway, America's ruling class speaks the language and has the tastes, habits, and tools of bureaucrats. It rules uneasily over the majority of Americans not orientated to the government." The majority of Americans comprise the Country Class.

The Country Class or the Country Party has come down against the mosque, and it goes far beyond New Yorkers. It embraces Americans from all over. They oppose the mosque and their opposition is growing. On the other side, the Ruling Class's spokesman is not surprisingly Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg of New York, though he could be from Chicago or Boston or Washington, D.C. Apropos of the mosque, he says: "What is great about America, and particularly New York, is we welcome everybody, and if we are so afraid of something like this, what does it say about us?" First of all, we do not welcome everybody, not drugs lords, not Nazis, not Islamofascists. Secondly, we are not "so afraid of something like this." Rather, we recognize it as an affront to the fallen and to the Nation. Ad arguendo, the affront might not be intended by those wishing to put up the mosque, but it will be recognized by others throughout the world as an affront. Possibly it will be recognized as a sign of the triumph of Islam over non-believers. It ought not to go up.

The latest to join with the Country Class is Abe Foxman. He has done so at great cost to himself. He has members of the Ruling Party all around him. Yet even he has been guilty of blowzy thought. He says that "Survivors of the Holocaust are entitled to feelings that are irrational." Likewise, the families that lost loved ones in September 11 are entitled to feelings that are irrational, he claims. "Their anguish entitles them," says Foxman, "to positions that others would categorize as irrational or bigoted." Thus because they object, Foxman would build the mosque "a mile away."

There is nothing irrational or bigoted about thinking that a mosque does not belong at Ground Zero or at the Pentagon or on the Pennsylvania countryside where United Flight 93 crashed. Americans traditionally raise on such sites monuments to freedom, to courage, to the sacrifices of those lost. Now the Ruling Class wants to place a mosque at the site of September 11. It is the only time I can recall the Ruling Class ever being in favor of placing a religious manifestation anywhere. Yet in favoring this mosque, the Ruling Class does put itself squarely in opposition to the Country Class, so it does have a logic to it.

Will the Ruling Class have its way? I have my doubts. The Country Class is getting stronger. It is not opposed to the building of mosques, just not on the sites of where so many brave Americans were killed by people who hated them because they were American. The Country Class will decide the monuments for the brave. The Ruling Class can eat cake.

 
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RockyMTNClimber    Some NYC Resident Opinion.....   8/8/2010 12:56:49 PM
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Planting a mosque just two blocks from where Muslims murdered Americans on 9/11 in the name of Islam is a huge slap in the face. Why shouldn't Muslims be sensitive enough to realize that a huge mosque planted right near the horrific wound to the U.S. created at Ground Zero by Muslims is outrageous to us? They claim a right to be insulted by cartoons mocking their prophet, even to the point of beheading people.

The Imam of the Ground Zero Insult, Faisal Abdul Rauf, is not the nice guy he likes to hold himself out to be. At his Friday afternoon khutbah services and in his book What's Right With Islam Rauf states that he wants the mosque to be a place where inter-faith understanding is fostered. His sonorous voice is smooth and almost hypnotic. His writing style appears to be rational and unthreatening.

However, this does not jibe with the aspects of him that are downright hostile and frightening.

During a recent Friday sermon, this writer did due diligence as a mosque monitor and heard Rauf deny that Muslims perpetrated 9/11. In an interview with CNN shortly after 9/11, Rauf said, "U.S. policies were an accessory to the crime that happened. We [the U.S.] have been an accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. Osama bin Laden was made in the USA." Elsewhere, Rauf has stated that terrorism will end only when the West acknowledges the harm it has done to Muslims. And that it was Christians who started mass attacks on civilians. 

Rauf has numerous ties to CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in the Department of Justice funding case brought against Hamas, an openly terrorist organization. CAIR is also the initiator of numerous cases designed to intimidate non-Muslims from criticizing aggressive Muslim behavior, and to use our own legal and democratic processes to undermine and dominate America, forcing it to become Islamic. 

Rauf calls himself a Sufi, evoking among non-Muslims a "peace and love" image. But that's not the whole picture. Sufism has many sides to it, including the Koranic injunction to spread Islam one way or another, and it has a rich history of waging war, too. Could it be that one of the frequently used tools of war, lying to the enemy, explains the contradiction between Rauf's image as reconciler of religions and his sympathies and associations with terrorists?

A previous Rauf project, Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow, clearly shows on its website that it is headed and funded by individuals from Saudi Arabia, the country that spawned fifteen of the nineteen jihad jockeys who rode the 9/11 planes of destruction. The funding for the mosque at Ground Zero is much murkier so far. All that has been publicly disclosed is that the support comes from unidentified sources in Saudi Arabia and Muslim-ruled Malaysia. Rauf reportedly says he paid $4.85 million for the property -- in cash. Where exactly did this money come from? Was it Wahhabist-supporting Saudi sources, which have already funded many other mosques in New York City?

The mosque is called Cordoba House. Muslims like to refer to Spain and especially the city of Cordoba as a place where their rule reached a glorious peak. Contrary to the myth of a Golden Age of equality during the Muslim occupation of Spain (and in particular in Cordoba), Spain and Cordoba were places where Christians and Jews suffered as social inferiors under Islamic oppression. Equal civil rights never existed for non-Muslims under Sharia, or Islamic law. Rauf even admits as much when he writes, "Jews and Christians living under Muslim rule simply had to pay a tax to finance their protection by their Muslim overlords." This is not equality! Americans do not demand a special tax to protect Muslims from ourselves. That would be
 
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LB       8/8/2010 4:42:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u/5/vjS0Novt3X4 No Mosque at Ground Zero by Pat Condell
 
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YelliChink       8/9/2010 11:18:45 AM
 

Germany shuts 9/11 plotters' mosque in Hamburg

 
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It is Karma.
 
Given how your politicians and judges were bought off by some really wealthy foreigners (whom I called as "fake allies" of the US), there is not much people can do. Agitation, provocation and violence is their goal. Don't fell for that. In time, they will do stupid things and get themselves burnt.
 
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swhitebull    Build the Mosque, but in the Climate of Tolerance......   8/9/2010 9:54:23 PM
...build a bar next door that caters to Gay Muslim Males:
 
 
 
 
 
swhitebull-   you can kill two birds with one stoning this way.
 
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swhitebull    Deliberate Provocation   8/9/2010 9:59:14 PM
 
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Photon       8/10/2010 3:51:46 AM
Another distraction, although symbolically very sensitive one.  But I do not see how can the Ground-0 mosque proposal be sneered at, if its proponents have made their proposals legally and did their homework.  Perhaps have NYC to hold a special city-wide popular election -- simply ask the NYC voters yes or no.  Even then, if the Ground-0 mosque proponents decide to play 'freedo m to worship' game, then the only place to decide the outcome is in the courts.  I will most likely to feel even more cynical about our country if this issue end up churning in the courts.
 
My personal preference was not to build a single darned thing at the Ground-0 and thereby preempt any possible controversy over this piece of real estate.  However, a block of land @ Manhattan = $$$$$$.  Too much temptation, 9-11 notwithstanding!  I wonder when will people realize that, at times, the best thing to do is not to build.  You want your grandkids to remember the 9-11?  Keep that place desolate.  Plus, courtesy of modern technology, there are 9-11 videos just about everywhere and that is pretty graphic stand-alone.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Oddities.....   8/10/2010 9:09:57 AM
 
Every other structure around the damaged Burlington Coat Factory has been designated a historic site (the B.C.F site being where the Mosque will be built). So that special permits are required to redevelop those damaged structures. Not so here. They seem to have gone out of their way to accommodate this developer for this project. More of Progressive's attempt to engage our enemies instead of declare them a public nuisance or worse.
 
Getting a new Christian church approved in NYC is impossible because of the loss of tax revenues at many levels. The previous owners of the site earned the city millions in property, income, and sales taxes. The new Mosque will be exempt as a place of worship. The city simply allowed it to happen without comment..... Don't you think that is odd?
 
This is travesty on many levels.
 
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