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heraldabc    1/8/2011 5:45:15 PM
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/08/132764367/congresswoman-shot-in-arizona quoted ===================================================== Arizona Rep. Giffords Shot; Condition Unclear by NPR Staff January 8, 2011 Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head by a gunman at a public event in Tucson on Saturday. There are conflicting reports about whether she was killed. The Pima County, Ariz., sheriff's office told member station KJZZ the 40-year-old Democrat was killed. A hospital spokeswoman said Giffords was in critical condition and undergoing surgery. At least eight other people, including members of her staff, were injured. There also were conflicting reports on the number of deaths at the scene, but President Obama, in a statement, said "we know that some have passed away" and that Giffords was "gravely wounded." Giffords, who was re-elected to a third term in November, was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event at a Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media. The suspect fired indiscriminately from about four feet away, Michaels said. A congressional official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity that the gunman was using an automatic weapon. The suspect ran off and was tackled by a bystander. He was taken into custody. Witnesses described him as in his late teens or early 20s. Federal, state and local law enforcement authorities in Arizona are investigating the shooting. The congresswoman was transported to University Medical Center in Tucson. Giffords was first elected to represent Arizona's 8th District in 2006. The "Congress on Your Corner" events, which she holds regularly, allow constituents to present their concerns directly to her. Giffords' Tucson office was one of three damaged last March by vandals who targeted Democrats in advance of the U.S. House vote on the controversial health care legislation. A glass panel at her office was shattered, and at the time her staff said that it appeared the window had been damaged by a pellet gun. About Gabrielle Giffords Personal * Born: Jun 8, 1970, in Tucson * Family: Married to Mark Kelly, a Navy pilot and astronaut with NASA; two children * Home: Tucson, Arizona * Religion: Jewish Career * U.S. House Representative, elected 2006 * State Senator, Arizona 2002-05 * State Representative, Arizona 2000-02 * CEO El Campo Tire 1997-00 * Price Waterhouse Coopers 1996-97 Education * Scripps College, BA 1993 * Cornell Univ, MS 1996 * Fulbright Scholar in Mexico, 1996 House Speaker John Boehner condemned the attack. "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," he said in a statement. "Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society." Her fellow Arizona congressman, Republican Jeff Flake, reached Saturday on his way to the hospital recalled that he had last spoken with Giffords on the House floor during this week's swearing-in ceremony. "We have a fairly small delegation and we've met often," he said of Giffords, who in November beat back a tough challenge from a Tea Party-endorsed opponent. "She got re-elected because she's tenacious," Flake said. "There was a very strong headwind against all Democrats and people did not expect her to come back to Congress. "But she was tireless," he said. "Others may have held back after things happen — like the damage to her office. She was fearless." Flake said emotions have been running high in Arizona over issues, including immigration. "That's obviously an issue that is a very passionate one for a lot of people," he said. In a statement released by his office, House Speaker John Boehner said he was "horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff. An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve....this is a sad day for our country." NPR's Liz Halloran contributed to this report. ===================================================================== Comment, What is known, is that she was shot in the head and is alive. Others (eight?) were also injured, including a child, who was killed in the same incident. Details are confused. The gunman was captured. As soon as I can find out anything, I will add to it. Addendum, a Federal judge (GOP Bush appointee) was also killed at this event, http://www.talkleft.com/story/2011/1/8/133013/1904 [quoted Dem AZ Congresswoman Giffords and Others Shot Outside Safeway By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics Posted on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 12:30:13 PM EST Tags: Gabriella Giffords (all tags) Share This: Digg! StumbleUpon del.icio.us reddit reddit Update 2:04 pm: Press Conference: University Hospital spokesman: Ten patients were brought in to the hospital, one, a 9 year old child, died. 5 are in critical conditi
 
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heraldabc       1/9/2011 9:31:59 PM

You seem to be obsessing over this.

I recommend you find something else to pay attention to until everyone gets a clearer picture on this.

People die by violence every day. Each such death is a tragedy. We can't change that.


Its an indice CJH, (what is called a key marker in a data set), something so glaringly obvious that it shifts assumptions and forces you to reformulate a hypothesis.  
 
We plainly have failed here in a domestic law enforcement way as we failed during the the financial  screw-up that led us into our economic mess. If you cannot see that then:
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/v/fVOCPO_a_MI?fs=1&hl=en_US"> http://www.youtube.com/v/fVOCPO_a_MI?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385">
 
 
 
 
Captain Clueless  there knew about Loughner and fouled up. Now to shift blame, he wants to blame society for not doing his job. 
 
 Granted that heated political hate speech is the catalyst, but he knew the environment, he knew the   threats anbd he most certainly knew about what a high risk event Gifford set up. He had police reports on the nuts to watch, the complaints from the Congresswoman's staff about the hostile political situation and he effed up. 
 
He's just another link in the whole failure chain that needs to change .
 
 
 
 
 
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YelliChink       1/9/2011 10:27:22 PM

Captain Clueless  there knew about Loughner and fouled up. Now to shift blame, he wants to blame society for not doing his job. 
 
He's just another link in the whole failure chain that needs to change .
 
http://www.youtube.com/v/Qr5a7OYLJZQ?fs=1&hl=en_US"> http://www.youtube.com/v/Qr5a7OYLJZQ?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385">
 
Yes, herald, we know. If the left didn''t exploit the situation, then that would be the real news, and make sun rise from the West.
 
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PPR    Who to blame?   1/10/2011 12:38:51 AM
Well, the press was quick to blame the tea-party and right-wing "hate speech."
 
As more information has become available, we now know the shooter was a left-wing pot-smoking radical who shot a conservative democrat representative and killed a Republican-appointed judge.
 
So will the press now call it an attack against conservatives by a left-wing nut job stirred up by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid's irresponsible hate speech?
 
I'm not holding my breath.
 
 
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YelliChink       1/10/2011 10:18:32 AM
From the comment section of the video that I posted above:
 

here is the&O5279; reason........congresswoman giffords was receiving threats by this individual for quite awhile....it was decided to appease him and keep him and his actions here on youtube under a "watch"......by subbing him his actions would alert the staff ect..............i hope you appreciate this info

  • @elbrookman I would appreciate it more&O5279; if you told me who gave you this info or if it is just a guess on your part...

  • @VoodooPolitics1 ......a congressional staffer............the stalking has been going on for awhile and was known about by some insiders&O5279; here on capitol hill...........it will be released tomorrow in the charging documents.

  • @elbrookman I will&O5279; keep an eye out for it... Thanks

  • @elbrookman .

    The charge documents didn't do so, and from what I hear they didn't address the death of&O5279; the 9 yr old & others

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  • doggtag    careful, people....   1/10/2011 3:44:50 PM
    What a broad brush we (humanity) paint with, to demonize our fellow man.
     
    No, I don't agree with what this punk did, not by any means.
     
    However, after reading many blogs, forums, and tweet-crap-whatever,
    when we try demonizing this perp for his speech and his beliefs, saying he was a problem that needed locked up for what he was saying prior to all this happening,
    who's is effectively worthy to decide when someone's free speech is becoming too risky, too dangerous, to allow them to continue to walk free amongst society,
    when they themselves are preaching hate-filled, violence-laden ideals of what constitututes justice and how people are supposed to behave, and what to say and think...?
     
    How far can we take it before everyone is profiling everyone else, before everyone demonizes those who don't hold their beliefs?
     
    We already cried foul over a government profiling people of a certain race because their skin tones or religions matched those (a broad brush) or terroristic intent...do we now profile ALL white folks,
     or at least 22 year old white males still living with their parents, 
    as being too likely to commit acts of terroristic intent?

    ("Woohoo! Start buildin' them political prisons and re-edumacation camps, boys!
     Profiling McCarthyism is comin' back with a new vengeance!"

    (whisper whisper...)....but since this is under Obama's rule now, it's OK... No wait, we can still blame it all on Bush!
    No wait...Sarah Palin! Yeah, we'll blame her!  A witch! She's a witch! It's all her fault! Burn her at the stake! Kill her! Herectic! How dare them evil devil-lovin' Republicans tarnish Our Chosen One during His Most Highest Administration! )
     
     
    The funny thing is, after reading far too many people's opinions on this occurence, many of those same posters all over the web commenting on this punk, how he should be dealt with,
    what should have been done earlier,
    some of them are publicly speaking just as offensively as this punk did prior to his actions...
     
    Does the government/LEOs now go around rounding up these people with thier own condemnations of violence that contain violent thoughts within their own posts?
     
    Do we just throw away the legal ideals this country was founded on and welcome back the vigilantism of the good ol' days (eye for an eye kinda thing) ?
     
    F...k it: let's all just line EVERYBODY up,
    EVERYBODY,
    and give everyone a knife, gun, club, stone, poison, whatever...
    Now kill everybody who doesn't agree with you.
     
     
    Oh that's right: we don't want to actually kill them: no, that would be "too Hitler" of us.
     
    We just want to push all the problem people away and let someone else deal with it so we don't have to
    (but we still want enough of them around to work for cheap wages and do all the menial dirty work the rest of us are all too good for...).
     
    Yeah, that works: push problems aside, ignore them,
    then when the wounds fester and erupt,
    we cry, "how did this happen???"
     
    Hey, I'm all open to solutions: anyone care to run up an idea
    that doesn't make us any better
    than this punk and his idea of solutions?
     
    (profile away, people    http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/face21.gif" alt="" />     )
     
     
    (90% sarcasm, and 10% somewhere-in-there-is-a-message-worth-actually-considering.)
     
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    YelliChink       1/10/2011 6:30:31 PM
     
     

    Bill Ayers, communist provided Arizona shooter's curriculum?

    High school part of learning community funded jointly by Obama and domestic terrorist


    Posted: January 10, 2011
    9:59 am Eastern

    By Aaron Klein
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily


    Jared Lee Loughner, the suspected gunman in Saturday's Arizona shooting, attended a high school that is part of a network in which teachers are trained and provided resources by a liberal group founded by Weatherman terrorist Bill Ayers and funded by President Obama, WND has learned.

    The group, Small Schools Workshop, has been led by a former top communist activist who is an associate of Ayers.

    Obama provided the group with funds in the 1990s when he worked at an education reform group alongside Ayers.

    Loughner attended Mountain View High School, which is part of Arizona's Morana Unified School District.

    Since 2003, Mountain View has been part of what is known as the Smaller Learning Community, a network of schools that have been restructured to create a more personalized learning environment where students often have the same teachers and fellow students from grade to grade.
     

    In the 1970s, Klonsky became a top communist activist and leader of the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party.

    He reportedly identified as a Maoist, and traveled in 1977 to Beijing, where he held friendly meetings with the Chinese leadership.

    In a book, "Revolution in the Air," author Max Elbaum, himself a former Maoist activist, recounts that in Beijing, Klonsky toasted the Chinese Stalinist leadership who, in turn, hailed the formation of his Communist Party group as "reflecting the aspirations of the proletariat and working people," effectively recognizing Klonsky's organization as the all-but-official U.S. Maoist party.



    Read more: Bill Ayers, communist provided Arizona shooter's curriculum? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=249429#ixzz1Ag6zu976
     
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    heraldabc    What part of lip harmonica stage of.....   1/10/2011 7:28:07 PM
    loony tune did you miss, Doggtag?
     
    There is a vast difference between "I think Obama might have committed some crimes when he created his White House Czars extra-constitutionally: we need to look for the evidence for this in Constitutional Law under separation of powers and Congressional oversight of Executive appointees to prove this point, so that he can be impeached before the Senate, and "You foreigners and lower class types are all illiterate, the government is illegitimate, and all law enforcement is unconstitutional, so I am going to assassinate a Congresswoman to prove it!"  
     
    I know that is a rough paraphrase (in red), but apparently Loughner publicly did say something like this in a class from which he was expelled.        
    What a broad brush we (humanity) paint with, to demonize our fellow man.

     

    No, I don't agree with what this punk did, not by any means.

     

    However, after reading many blogs, forums, and tweet-crap-whatever,

    when we try demonizing this perp for his speech and his beliefs, saying he was a problem that needed locked up for what he was saying prior to all this happening,

    who's is effectively worthy to decide when someone's free speech is becoming too risky, too dangerous, to allow them to continue to walk free amongst society,

    when they themselves are preaching hate-filled, violence-laden ideals of what constitututes justice and how people are supposed to behave, and what to say and think...?

     

    How far can we take it before everyone is profiling everyone else, before everyone demonizes those who don't hold their beliefs?

     

    We already cried foul over a government profiling people of a certain race because their skin tones or religions matched those (a broad brush) or terroristic intent...do we now profile ALL white folks,

     or at least 22 year old white males still living with their parents, 

    as being too likely to commit acts of terroristic intent?



    ("Woohoo! Start buildin' them political prisons and re-edumacation camps, boys!

     Profiling McCarthyism is comin' back with a new vengeance!"



    (whisper whisper...)....but since this is under Obama's rule now, it's OK... No wait, we can still blame it all on Bush!

    No wait...Sarah Palin! Yeah, we'll blame her!  A witch! She's a witch! It's all her fault! Burn her at the stake! Kill her! Herectic! How dare them evil devil-lovin' Republicans tarnish Our Chosen One during His Most Highest Administration! )

     

     

    The funny thing is, after reading far too many people's opinions on this occurence, many of those same posters all over the web commenting on this punk, how he should be dealt with,

    what should have been done earlier,

    some of them are publicly speaking just as offensively as this punk did prior to his actions...

     

    Does the government/LEOs now go around rounding up these people with thier own condemnations of violence that contain violent thoughts within their own posts?

     

    Do we just throw away the legal ideals this country was founded on and welcome back the vigilantism of the good ol' days (eye for an eye kinda thing) ?

     

    F...k it: let's all just line EVERYBODY up,

    EVERYBODY,

    and give everyone a knife, gun, club, stone, poison, whatever...

    Now kill everybody who doesn't agree with you.

     

     

    Oh that's right: we don't want to actually kill them: no, that would be "too Hitler" of us.

     

    We just want to push all the problem people away and let someone else deal with it so we don't have to

    (but we still want enough of them around to work for cheap wages and do all the menial dirty work the rest of us are all too good for...).

     

    Yeah, that works: push problems aside, ignore them,

    then when the wounds fester and erupt,

    we cry, "how did this happen???"

     

    Hey, I'm all open to solutions: anyone care to run up an idea

     
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    doggtag    now who got the F   1/10/2011 9:36:57 PM
    (90% sarcasm, and 10% somewhere-in-there-is-a-message-worth-actually-considering.)


    ...you might have the mathematics and engineering sciences down, H,
    but where you fail is in interpretive reading.
     
    I take it you don't know sh*t from Shakespeare when it comes to literature, though: with the odd way you interpret things people write,
    you're the likely candidate who argues with a great writer of what he/she actually wrote, isn't actually what they themselves actually meant.
     
    (ever read The Devil's Dictionary? Satirical humor obviously isn't your thing.)
     
    What part of lip harmonica stage of.....   1/10/2011 7:28:07 PM
    loony tune did you miss, Doggtag?
     
    Oooh, ding dong diddly.
     
    The point you missed in all my sarcasm
    was that, just how far do we go profiling who's fit to judge and decide
    who exactly is sane and rational enough to walk freely in society, and who should be locked up?
     
    Do we take it as far as loyalty test (the McCarthyism slant),
    or are psycho- evals going to become the norm every year in high school, to weed these bad eggs out of society altogether?
    Or do we go all the way to grade school: brainwash those kids at the age they're most easily manipulated?
    (and who exactly is fit to determine what train of thought kids should be taught to adhere to: the democrats? the republicans? the clergy? the internet? the modern-day aristocracy of America
    who feels it's their place to decide which status quo civilization should pursue?)
     
    Considering we can't even maintain an adequate mental health service nationwide for the people who are disturbed,
    and admit to it, but still can't receive sufficient help,
    how do you propose we effectively treat disturbed people before they actually go off and harm others?
     
    By some of what this punk's deranged madness hints at in his numerous outporings,
    in case you don't remember discussions on here,
    there are those of us both in here (SP) and elsewhere who have, more than once,
    voiced an opinion that could, by equal measure, be looked at as problematic mental behavior.
    (every weed starts with a seed...)
    Yet what amongst our opinions suggests that any one of us here is the next nutter to go off shooting people,
    as opposed to just verbally ranting?
     
    I, and many others here, would be very interested in seeing YOUR LIST of 
    qualifications, requirements, and trains of thought that YOU feel determines who
    should be "nipped in the bud" before they escalate to Loughtner's (or Koresh's, or Dahmer's, or McVeigh's, or Hitler's) level of rationale....
     
    Where exactly do we draw the line of where someone is just venting their anger verbally, and where they finally snap and decide to act on those thoughts?
     
    How do we pick these harmful people out of society without profiling an entire nation,
    without risking locking up people who are just having a bad day and aren't true psychopaths in the making?
     
    Do we totally destroy the whole "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" thing,
    by repealling those rights just as eagerly as folks want to disband the right to bear arms, or to freely worship,
    just because a small handful abuse those rights,
    so to be safe, we take those rights away from everybody (in this case, just because some selfish 22-yr-old punk thought the World owed him something) ?
     
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    heraldabc       1/10/2011 10:12:13 PM
    The point you missed in all my sarcasm was that, just how far do we go profiling who's fit to judge and decide
    who exactly is sane and rational enough to walk freely in society, and who should be locked up?

    Well...you make the call.
     

    Pima County sheriff who missed the point completely.

    I know where the failure point is, do you?

    H. 

     
     
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    heraldabc    Follow up.   1/10/2011 10:34:18 PM


    The point you missed in all my sarcasm was that, just how far do we go profiling who's fit to judge and decide



    who exactly is sane and rational enough to walk freely in society, and who should be locked up?








    Well...you make the call.



     












    Pima County sheriff who missed the point completely.








    I know where the failure point is, do you?






    H. 









     








    Where exactly do we draw the line of where someone is just venting their anger verbally, and where they finally snap and decide to act on those thoughts?
     
     
    H.
     
     
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