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heraldabc    1/8/2011 5:45:15 PM
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/08/132764367/congresswoman-shot-in-arizona quoted ===================================================== Arizona Rep. Giffords Shot; Condition Unclear by NPR Staff January 8, 2011 Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head by a gunman at a public event in Tucson on Saturday. There are conflicting reports about whether she was killed. The Pima County, Ariz., sheriff's office told member station KJZZ the 40-year-old Democrat was killed. A hospital spokeswoman said Giffords was in critical condition and undergoing surgery. At least eight other people, including members of her staff, were injured. There also were conflicting reports on the number of deaths at the scene, but President Obama, in a statement, said "we know that some have passed away" and that Giffords was "gravely wounded." Giffords, who was re-elected to a third term in November, was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event at a Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media. The suspect fired indiscriminately from about four feet away, Michaels said. A congressional official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity that the gunman was using an automatic weapon. The suspect ran off and was tackled by a bystander. He was taken into custody. Witnesses described him as in his late teens or early 20s. Federal, state and local law enforcement authorities in Arizona are investigating the shooting. The congresswoman was transported to University Medical Center in Tucson. Giffords was first elected to represent Arizona's 8th District in 2006. The "Congress on Your Corner" events, which she holds regularly, allow constituents to present their concerns directly to her. Giffords' Tucson office was one of three damaged last March by vandals who targeted Democrats in advance of the U.S. House vote on the controversial health care legislation. A glass panel at her office was shattered, and at the time her staff said that it appeared the window had been damaged by a pellet gun. About Gabrielle Giffords Personal * Born: Jun 8, 1970, in Tucson * Family: Married to Mark Kelly, a Navy pilot and astronaut with NASA; two children * Home: Tucson, Arizona * Religion: Jewish Career * U.S. House Representative, elected 2006 * State Senator, Arizona 2002-05 * State Representative, Arizona 2000-02 * CEO El Campo Tire 1997-00 * Price Waterhouse Coopers 1996-97 Education * Scripps College, BA 1993 * Cornell Univ, MS 1996 * Fulbright Scholar in Mexico, 1996 House Speaker John Boehner condemned the attack. "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," he said in a statement. "Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society." Her fellow Arizona congressman, Republican Jeff Flake, reached Saturday on his way to the hospital recalled that he had last spoken with Giffords on the House floor during this week's swearing-in ceremony. "We have a fairly small delegation and we've met often," he said of Giffords, who in November beat back a tough challenge from a Tea Party-endorsed opponent. "She got re-elected because she's tenacious," Flake said. "There was a very strong headwind against all Democrats and people did not expect her to come back to Congress. "But she was tireless," he said. "Others may have held back after things happen — like the damage to her office. She was fearless." Flake said emotions have been running high in Arizona over issues, including immigration. "That's obviously an issue that is a very passionate one for a lot of people," he said. In a statement released by his office, House Speaker John Boehner said he was "horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff. An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve....this is a sad day for our country." NPR's Liz Halloran contributed to this report. ===================================================================== Comment, What is known, is that she was shot in the head and is alive. Others (eight?) were also injured, including a child, who was killed in the same incident. Details are confused. The gunman was captured. As soon as I can find out anything, I will add to it. Addendum, a Federal judge (GOP Bush appointee) was also killed at this event, http://www.talkleft.com/story/2011/1/8/133013/1904 [quoted Dem AZ Congresswoman Giffords and Others Shot Outside Safeway By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics Posted on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 12:30:13 PM EST Tags: Gabriella Giffords (all tags) Share This: Digg! StumbleUpon del.icio.us reddit reddit Update 2:04 pm: Press Conference: University Hospital spokesman: Ten patients were brought in to the hospital, one, a 9 year old child, died. 5 are in critical conditi
 
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heraldabc    I am trying to make you think it through.   1/20/2011 1:07:41 AM
 
Try it this way..
 
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PlatypusMaximus       1/20/2011 9:37:17 PM
Dupnik is who bothers me here.
I don't doubt people can be driven by "vitriol"...but if an official gathering facts in a mass murder case says that what set this man off was vitriol on television and radio, or the Teaparty...Then now it's time to connect those dots. In other words, He should already know which websites/radio/TVshows this man likes or dislikes...how often he visits what, etc. That doesn't appear the case. In fact, it appears that while the sheriff  was making that assessment in the hours & days after the shootings, he was sitting on a history of both this man being a little crazy, and this man thinking he had some form of relationship with the congresswoman.
I'm with Nan---Screw the entire Civility Movement. We will not be censored, nor will we acknowledge any responsibility on the part of our words...We do not negotiate what we know to be true....even if it's crazy.
 
But----We both need somebody to protect our stuff and our families while we're out doing that.
 
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heraldabc    And the third nut is....    1/21/2011 2:29:49 AM

Dupnik is who bothers me here.

I don't doubt people can be driven by "vitriol"...but if an official gathering facts in a mass murder case says that what set this man off was vitriol on television and radio, or the Teaparty...Then now it's time to connect those dots. In other words, He should already know which websites/radio/TVshows this man likes or dislikes...how often he visits what, etc. That doesn't appear the case. In fact, it appears that while the sheriff  was making that assessment in the hours & days after the shootings, he was sitting on a history of both this man being a little crazy, and this man thinking he had some form of relationship with the congresswoman.


I'm with Nan---Screw the entire Civility Movement. We will not be censored, nor will we acknowledge any responsibility on the part of our words...We do not negotiate what we know to be true....even if it's crazy.

 

But----We both need somebody to protect our stuff and our families while we're out doing that.


Sheriff Dupnik.

It took some of you long enough to make the comnection.
 
 
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warpig       1/21/2011 9:09:28 AM
What is the connection, and between what and what?
 
I fully realize that you will post just what and how you choose to post.  Clearly, that's up to you, not me.  However, if you care, please realize that I am not your child and I am not your student.  We are peers, and your role on StrategyPage is not to be anyone's instructor or mentor.  Frankly, even if I decide to try to fill in holes you leave in what you say with ideas I come up with, I will certainly try to avoid knowingly making comments based on them.  I seriously doubt that I am alone in finding this style that you sometimes lapse into to be pretentious, presumptuous, and condescending.  Clearly you have some interesting insights that I would like to read.  Instead of "trying to get us to figure it out" as if you have an answer and want to *lead* us to it, please just say it clearly and completely and let us decide if we agree.
 
 
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YelliChink       1/21/2011 11:22:26 AM
 

Bizarre Media Campaign to Link Sarah Palin to Tucson Shootings Actually Worked

Posted by Van Helsing at January 21, 2011 8:33 AM

There is a reason the "mainstream" media relentlessly bashes Sarah Palin, even blaming her for a tragic event that had absolutely no connection with her whatsoever — it works:

After days of relentless attacks by media across the fruited plain, Sarah Palin's unfavorable rating hit an all-time high this week. ?
From January 8 [the day of the Tucson Massacre] through January 16, CNN ran 80 stories that included the name of the former Alaska governor.
That's roughly nine pieces per day, during which her name was mentioned approximately 664 times or over 70 times every 24 hours!
As few if any of these mentions were positive, is there any wonder a new CNN/Opinion Research poll found 56 percent of all Americans now have an unfavorable view of Sarah Palin — an all-time high?

Not many people watch CNN anymore. But adding in the numbers for NPR, ABC, CBS, and NBC, plus the prime time weekday numbers for MSNBC, there were 179 reports on Palin in 16 days, mentioning her name 1,485 times. Screaming her name over and over again in the aftermath of a tragedy will inevitably form a link in people's minds, even if no rational connection has been proven or even suggested.

As moonbat congresscritter Steve Cohen might say, "repeat a lie often enough?"

When news of the shootings first broke, I warned, "Keep your eyes open; this will be exploited." But I had no idea it would be this shameless. There truly is nothing beneath the liars running the liberal media establishment.

 
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heraldabc       1/21/2011 11:38:35 AM

What is the connection, and between what and what?

What Loughner said and did was disordered speech and acts not based in a comprehensible empathic other Human centered morality

Same with Waller.
 
Same with Dupnik when you analyze the crazy things he said and did.
 
Consider that Loughner failed as a Human being to take responsibility for himself and acted out in a fantasy where he struck at an imaginary enemy who did things to him.
 
Consider that Waller failed to understand that his own personal tragedy was a statistical  event brought on by a psychopath. He, too, acted on his psychosis and threatened an "imaginary" enemy who had nothing to do with his own recent injuries.
 
And then we come to that mentally defective, morally bankrupt sheriff of Pima County who came out and blamed immigration, health care, and conservative concern about the economy (Tea Party) and blamed 'imaginary' enemies for his failure to do his job. (There is some circumstancial evidence that he personally knew Loughner was a nut who needed to be locked up, but as a political favor refused to do so.)
 
So after all this what is the connection? 
 
 
You've seen it before. Its an overriding schema of evil, a narrative that says 'enemy X is to blame for all your problems. You are not responsible.
 
Well that us a crock full of crazy.
 
Loughner murdered those people, and it was not the right that caused him to do it., He did it.
Waller threatened the Tea Party activist because he had to blame some enemy for a statistical event. 
The Sheriff invoked the :"enemy" myth to deflect blame from himself.
 
What is the common ponerologic myth that each of these crazy men invoked?
 
Right wing extremism caused each man's failure and injury. 
 
And who are the people who publish and promulgate the myth?
 
Those would be the political sociopaths and 'alleged' and ACTUAL criminals of the American Left.
 
Those have names like George Soros, Ariana Huffington, William Ayres, the entire crew of clowns at MSNBC, the Center for American Progress, Daily Kos, etc.; and include the deranged lunatics of the political class on the left like such as the real estate fraud, Harry Reid, the crazy Howard Dean, and the completely amoral Nancy Pelosi.
 
Those are not opinions. That is well reported fact in your local newspapers of not in the Boston Globe and the Chicago Sun Times (the paper of record on the Chicago Thug, Barry, the narcissist).
 
Now there are right wing nuts just as bad as these sociopaths and poltroons on the left.
 
Michael Savage and Sean Hannity are two immediate examples. Completely amoral who without philosophical underpining do what they do for audience share and for no other reason.
 
They create their own ponerlogic myth of leftists as evil enemies.
 
ALL of them blame some external "enemy" for what goes wrong.either through personal choice or statistical accident.
 
So....
 
If immigration is screwed up, well that is because the American people have not decided collectively to do something about it.
 
If the economy is screwed up, well you voted the criminals in who looted the Treasury. Its YOUR (and my) fault. Don't blame the PRC bandits or democrats for what YOU did. (There are plenty of crimes they committed, but WE let that happen. Can't blame Chicoms for your inaction to stop them for raping Africa for example. Bandits will act when good men do nothing. Same for the crowd that let Fannie May and Freddie Mac go red. Barney Frank,  Chris Dodd, and Barack Obama were already known to not pass the smell tests as honest men. It was REPORTED even here on Strategy Page damn it with long heated exchanges in 2008.)
 
Same for health care, same for the economy. The ponerologic myths were in full play.
 
Giffords, Roll, that poor little nine year old girl, Christina Green (even the demented Waller) was shot by a psychopath who had no moral compass
 
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warpig       1/21/2011 6:30:30 PM
THANK YOU for taking the time to spell out your point like that!  That was an interesting post.  I am actually motivated by it to want to spend some time reading about ponerology in politics.
 
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VelocityVector    H.   1/21/2011 8:46:40 PM

If immigration is screwed up, well that is because the American people have not decided collectively to do something about it.

Sure.
If [anything in the United States] is screwed up, well that is because the American people have not decided collectively to do something about it.

Given our republican form of government.

In the case of immigration, the American people have been effectively neutered by vested interests.  The laws are in place but they are not enforceable by the private citizenry and neither the agencies nor the politicians typically cooperate in the enforcement of immigration laws.  Report known illegal immigrants in the Chicago area to ICE and nothing will occur, to the illegals at least, I happen to know.

What are the American people supposed to do, rebel over this single issue that is costing them blood and treasure, a form of taxation without representation, but action can undo any common person if action means they merely squawk about it?

Don't blame the American people on the matter of illegal immigration; the people are powerless puppets provided they continue to observe the law.

v^2

 
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YelliChink       1/21/2011 8:51:23 PM

Don't blame the American people on the matter of illegal immigration; the people are powerless puppets provided they continue to observe the law.


v^2


This sentence contains so much truth and wisdom that my brain is exploding.

 
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heraldabc       1/21/2011 9:04:55 PM

If immigration is screwed up, well that is because the American people have not decided collectively to do something about it.


Sure.


If [anything in the United States] is screwed up, well that is because the American people have not decided collectively to do something about it.

Given our republican form of government.


In the case of immigration, the American people have been effectively neutered by vested interests.  The laws are in place but they are not enforceable by the private citizenry and neither the agencies nor the politicians typically cooperate in the enforcement of immigration laws.  Report known illegal immigrants in the Chicago area to ICE and nothing will occur, to the illegals at least, I happen to know.


What are the American people supposed to do, rebel over this single issue that is costing them blood and treasure, a form of taxation without representation, but action can undo any common person if action means they merely squawk about it?


Don't blame the American people on the matter of illegal immigration; the people are powerless puppets provided they continue to observe the law.


v^2


How ,many incumbents were thrown out two months ago, again?
 
Some of the American people are trying. As for the rest, yes go ahead and blame them. Every time we wanted change bad enough in the country (Slavery, Prohibition, and Civil Rights) we changed the country. 
 
No excuses.
 
H.
 
 

 
 
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