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Subject: Did Our Agricultural Policy Help Trigger Arab World Revolutions?
CJH    3/12/2011 5:34:33 PM
A Revolting Situation Food Prices and Ethanol By: Chuck Colson|Published: March 4, 2011 12:00 AM If you ask the average American what lay behind the recent revolts in Tunisia and Egypt, you are likely to hear words like freedom, democracy, and even Facebook and Twitter. A word you probably won’t hear is food. But just as much as social media, what brought people onto the streets of Tunis and Cairo was food: too little of it at too high a price. "This past December, the food price index, as measured by the U.N.’s Food & Agriculture Organization, hit an all-time high and shows no sign of coming down. This year, countries are expected to spend more than one trillion dollars on food imports. In the past year, the price of corn has risen fifty-three percent, wheat is up forty-seven percent, and rice is at a two-year high. These increases caused the price of food staples to rise in places like North Africa, where much of the population was already struggling to make ends meet. This food stress was behind much of the discontent that fueled the revolts in Tunisia and Egypt. In countries where forty percent of the population makes less than two dollars a day, steep rises in food prices can make a difference between eating or not eating. Here in the U.S., the rise in food prices isn’t that tough for most Americans. Yet the fact is we’re playing a role in this unfolding story. At a time when commodity price hikes are threatening to destabilize swaths of the developing world, much of our most productive farmland is dedicated to growing biofuels, especially ethanol." FAO Initiative on Soaring Food Prices FAO food price indices
 
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earlm       3/12/2011 8:24:56 PM
Biofuel makes hippies feel good so it's worth starving poor people around the world, right?
 
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Aussiegunneragain       3/13/2011 12:57:29 AM
While agreeing that biofuels are a waste of good agricultural land, I would suggest that chronic mismanagement of the Arab economies has quite a bit to do with people being to poor to cope with fluctuations in food prices.
 
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CJH       3/13/2011 9:09:40 AM

While agreeing that biofuels are a waste of good agricultural land, I would suggest that chronic mismanagement of the Arab economies has quite a bit to do with people being to poor to cope with fluctuations in food prices.

But the traditional mismanagement is a constant in the equation while food prices seem to be changing. So if it was mismanagement, why did the people wait until now?
 
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CJH       3/13/2011 6:44:18 PM

Biofuel makes hippies feel good so it's worth starving poor people around the world, right?
Finding broader markets for agricultural products is profitable for agri-business because it insures higher crop prices. Agri-business interests lobby in D.C. for favorable policies.
I'm sure places such as Decatur, Illinois rejoice over the increase in methanol and bio-diesel production.

 
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YelliChink       3/13/2011 8:33:07 PM



Biofuel makes hippies feel good so it's worth starving poor people around the world, right?

Finding broader markets for agricultural products is profitable for agri-business because it insures higher crop prices. Agri-business interests lobby in D.C. for favorable policies.


I'm sure places such as Decatur, Illinois rejoice over the increase in methanol and bio-diesel production.





Funny, Spengler of Asia Times blame it on drought in Northern China this spring, which forced farmers in Northern China to give up seeding for early wheet production. And Chinese government responded by quantify purchase in the future market in order to ensure Chinese food supply. Rumor has it that they have made trade deficit to China in Febuary due to this.
Speculation and rumor, please take a grain of salt on the above.
 
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Aussiegunneragain    CJH   3/13/2011 10:52:49 PM
Arab people have been revolting against their revolting leaders for time immemorial, we are probably only seeing such a broad revolution now because mass communictations allows them to inspire eachother at a greater rate. The food prices might have been one tipping point but it is still symptomatic of economic mismanagement lack of freedom. We aren't seeing revolutions in all those other poor places are we.
 
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CJH       3/14/2011 1:55:17 PM

Arab people have been revolting against their revolting leaders for time immemorial, we are probably only seeing such a broad revolution now because mass communictations allows them to inspire eachother at a greater rate. The food prices might have been one tipping point but it is still symptomatic of economic mismanagement lack of freedom. We aren't seeing revolutions in all those other poor places are we.

What times immemorial have Arab people been revolting against their learders? I do not believe I have ever heard of such a historical trend.
 
The chief role of mass communication here is probably of the western media reporting the more spectacular story lines.
 
That we aren't seeing revolutions in other places is, besides the media not going there, because the people aren't responding exactly in that way yet.
 
Starving people probably don't always have the ability to mass demonstrate. The millions of Chinese who starved to death under Mao did not.

 
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CJH    Foreign Policy - The Great Food Crisis of 2011    3/14/2011 2:00:44 PM







Biofuel makes hippies feel good so it's worth starving poor people around the world, right?



Finding broader markets for agricultural products is profitable for agri-business because it insures higher crop prices. Agri-business interests lobby in D.C. for favorable policies.






I'm sure places such as Decatur, Illinois rejoice over the increase in methanol and bio-diesel production.













Funny, Spengler of Asia Times blame it on drought in Northern China this spring, which forced farmers in Northern China to give up seeding for early wheet production. And Chinese government responded by quantify purchase in the future market in order to ensure Chinese food supply. Rumor has it that they have made trade deficit to China in Febuary due to this.


Speculation and rumor, please take a grain of salt on the above.




It's real, and it's not going away anytime soon.
 
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CJH    Foreign Policy - The Great Food Crisis of 2011    3/14/2011 2:14:40 PM

My hyperlinked article above has some speculation about the future but its assessment of the present situation may be accurate.

 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       3/14/2011 10:39:06 PM
1. The Arabs have been able to bypass their own countries' internal internet security systems and also use encoded messages on facebook, twitter and skype to organize under the regimes' noses.
 
2.  They have nothing to lose now that there is hunger and thirst.  The CCP knows this and is fighting its own problems with basic necessities hard.
 
3. In Egypt and Tunisia, the armies were impartial and quietly informed the leadership that it was time to go.  Libya is not so lucky due to African mercs and Qaddafi paying off his military leaders.  Qaddafi is also more ruthless in his use of weapons on civilians than Mubarak.  Meanwhile the world mouths lip service.
 
4. The food shortages are due to 1. massive droughts in Russia, China and Argentina.  2. The current food export model, which really doesn't do as much for western farmers as it does for Big Ag, who is also trying to force the hungry countries to specifically buy GM food.  3. Biofuels, also pushed hard by Big Ag and Wall St.  Does anyone really think that some hippies really have that much power?
 
Finally, a decent discussion.
 
 
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