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Subject: VIDEORafale's on USS Enterprise
DropBear    8/5/2007 12:19:33 AM
Small 2:14 minute streaming video of Rafale's doing their thing on Enterprise. Link to follow...
 
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DropBear       8/5/2007 12:20:13 AM
 
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Herald1234    Thank you, DB.    8/5/2007 7:27:46 AM




It tells me just how MUCH US tech went into the Squall. A LOT of it apparently is in that bird.  Just to be able to interoperate with US carriers reveals a lot.about the Squall.
 
Herald
 
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Bluewings12       8/5/2007 8:55:09 AM
For cry out loud Herald , stop being stupid and put your flag down .
F-18s interoperate with French Carrier . Does it mean that Super Hornets have French tech ?...

Cheers .

 
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TDidier       8/5/2007 9:22:05 AM

I gess that you are expecting too much from herald on this point.

;))

 

Didier

 
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Herald1234    You would do well to remember who TAUGHT you how to operate carriers.   8/5/2007 9:46:28 AM
So naturally I would expect US automated landing approach, US style arrestor gear  and US style catapult yokes, as well as US  style  avionics [radios] in the Squall.

Use your rationality!

You can't say the E-2 is 100% French  either, can you?
Figure it out. If you use US style catapults and arrestors on the CdG and a US landing system, then you will use a US interface to enable the Squall to takeoff and land.

QED.

Herald

 
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french stratege       8/5/2007 10:05:21 AM
We just got compatibility specifications.
Now Rafale landing gear use a different principle from US airplanes with compression device to allow a turn momentum at catapult exit.
USA main caliber gun is NATO 155 mm, a french caliber
Did you learn to use artillery from the french since you use french caliber ? or armor from german since you use the german 120 mm gun?
h*tp://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=1520-8613%28193922%293%3A2%3C104%3AAAOFA1%3E2.0.CO%3B2-X&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage
Now we do not need lessons from USA to operate carriers! ROLFMAO
h*tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Navy
"An airplane-carrying vessel is indispensable. These vessels will be constructed on a plan very different from what is currently used. First of all the deck will be cleared of all obstacles. It will be flat, as wide as possible without jeopardizing the nautical lines of the hull, and it will look like a landing field."
Clément Ader, "L'Aviation Militaire", 1909
 
 
 
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TDidier       8/5/2007 10:51:42 AM

So naturally I would expect US automated landing approach, US style arrestor gear  and US style catapult yokes, as well as US  style  avionics [radios] in the Squall.

Use your rationality!

You can't say the E-2 is 100% French  either, can you?
Figure it out. If you use US style catapults and arrestors on the CdG and a US landing system, then you will use a US interface to enable the Squall to takeoff and land.

QED.

Herald

What is your point exactly? I can't follow you.
Who said that E-2 is 100% french? Who said that E-2 is 2% french?
 
Rafale M as all our navy airforce and capability is designed to be used in cooperation with US navy in the most interoperability that is possible to achieve. It is a simple fact.
 
Your point is silly as usual. Despite you are insinuating, Rafale is a 100% french achievement, that is something you can't support. Why?
 
You permanently bash french products, generaly saying that UK ingeneers are well aware of how crap it is. But the problem is that UK products are generally assemblage of US and french advanced technology. Even the most important part of Tornado was a french design, the variable geometry wing.
 
Cheers ;))



 
 
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Phaid       8/5/2007 12:48:02 PM
The CdG uses U.S. C13 catapults and U.S. Mk.7 arresting gear.  So it's little surprise that the Rafale is compatible with American carriers.  Considering that French aircraft carriers have long operated American aircraft and continue to do so, it would have been foolish and cost-ineffective for the French to go and design a whole new system which had at its goal to be 100% compatible with the U.S. one.  Using the U.S. system allowed them to do their catapult testing of the Rafale at Lakehurst and Pax River in the U.S. rather than develop their own sites at great cost, save development cost, and guarantee compatibility for eventual cross-decking operations.  I can't find much fault with that decision.
 
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doggtag    ...find it interesting that...   8/5/2007 1:00:58 PM
...almost every US aircraft that uses probe and drogue system features retractable refueling nozzles, yet it seems a rather large percentage of European-designed platforms have them seemingly stuck on as an afterthought, always poking out the side or the nose somewhere.
 
Does that refueling probe count against Rafale's RCS?
Is it retractable at all, and it just extends during landings to somehow (possibly?) add additional drag to lower landing speed, or perhaps generate favorable vortices up front to improve the landing profile?
 
 
 
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french stratege       8/5/2007 2:10:32 PM
Does that refueling probe count against Rafale's RCS?
This probe is not retractable and is studied to minimise drag and RCS.Its profile is aerodynamic.Dassault stopped to use retractable probes since Mirage F1 saying fixed probes are a minimal penalty.
As Rafale RCS is targeted in the 0,1 sqm magnitude it seems, a probe probably covered with RAM materials and studied to have low contribution on RCS should have probably a RCS by its own as a marble.They probably found that is unimportant it adds few % on RCS.
However I think it is unaesthetic.
 
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