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Subject: Timeless
Ben    9/3/2002 11:54:39 AM
Ooh- should have also said Photons. They do not experience time.
 
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Muslim    RE:Timeless   9/3/2002 12:04:55 PM
Can they travel through time? can they be in the future and the past at the same time? Can they exists in more than one place at the same time?
 
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Ben    RE:Timeless   9/3/2002 12:56:28 PM
Re: Photons. Answer: yes. Time does not exist for a photon. It has no past, no future, just a now. Check out the current issue of Scientific American for more info on time. part of the problem is, physicists do not yet fully understand its nature. How can you make blanket statements about something that is not fully understood?
 
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Muslim    RE:Timeless   9/3/2002 1:22:15 PM
you are not understanding my question. If something doesn't age it doesn't mean it's not limited by time. I'm talking about can a photon exist in more than one time? can a photon be in the future at the same time as it is in the present? and if so, can it be proven? That's what I'm asking, those are the signs that something is not limited by time. If something can co-exist in the past present and future, then it is not limited by time. If something can travel through time at will, then it is not limited by time. Does a photon have those properties?
 
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Muslim to Ben    RE:Timeless   9/3/2002 5:51:55 PM
I just thought of exactly how to disprove your theory about photons. If they are really not limited by time, then how can we see them? We can't SEE the past, we can't SEE the future, so how can we SEE something that is neither past, present, nor future. Photons are just like anything else, they are limited by time, if we can see it, it is limited, that's the definition.
 
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Ben    RE:Timeless- Photons   9/4/2002 9:59:54 AM
Muslim, first, it's not my theory, is a number of leading physicists including Einstein, Hawking, and Davies. That we can see photons is irrelevant. A photon experiences no time. Time Dilation is a phenomenon that has been laboratory demonstrated, repeatedly, and photons experience 100% time dilation. Time does not pass for the photon. Read the current Scientific American. Again, your argument boils down to "I personally do not understand how this could be, so therefore I have proved that it is not so".
 
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muslim    RE:Timeless- Photons   9/4/2002 4:24:15 PM
LIsten understand that time doesn't pass for a photon, but that doesn't mean it is "outside" of time. or that it is not limited by time. In order for it be not limited by time it has have no present, no future, no past, and no now. If we are in a park in america, and a photon is Africa, would be able to see it? If we are limited by time (fact), and something else isn't (theory), how can we see it when are in two totally different containers, different "universes" so to speak? I understand that a photo is a bit exceptional, but not enough to be outside of time, proof? we can see it.
 
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