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Subject: Egyptian journalist speaks on Wahabbism - from MEMRI
Elbandeedo    6/20/2003 6:42:21 AM
This is good stuff. osama bin buttsniffin and his little band of cutthroat wannabes wanted jihad. ok, they got it. only - it's with the entire world, save a few enclaves of other sociopathic morons with like minds - not just the "West". http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD52603 Also, notice the reaction to the latest group of psychos that got caught in saudi?? the headlines suggested that the terrorists plans were IN the "holy city" itself. that smacks of heresy to the rest of the moon-god worshippers. civil war in islam? oh happy days. Let them kill each other off. less for us to finish off later. E.
 
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American Kafir    RE: ... Gentlemen!   6/24/2003 1:56:15 PM
>Kafir next You'll insult Shaka with being a socialist Swede. As far as I know - he hasn't deserved that!< No one deserves that. ;-)
 
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American Kafir    RE:Shaka and American Kafir   6/24/2003 1:57:42 PM
>Jeez you guys, get a hotel room! How long have you two been married?< ROFLMAO!
 
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DesiDude    An example of mainstream Islam for Shaka   6/24/2003 2:00:37 PM
Shaka, here is some history for you: Till 8th and 9th century, Ancient India (Now divided into India, Pakistan and Bangladesh) was a peaceful land inhabited by Hindus, Sikhs, Budhhists, Jains and some Jews. After Islam was formed, hoardes of Islamic warriors poured in India for century after century. Apart from looting and pillaging, they did one more thing...Forceful conversions to Islam...everybody was given a choice between Islam and death. How successful were these conversions? Today, of the total population of 1.30 billion people in India+Pakistan+Bangladesh, 500 million are Muslims, and 800 million are non-muslims. Do you think 500 million people converted to Islam of their free will? Also, this is what happened after partition of India in 1947. Pakistan had 25% non-muslims...today they have 1%. Bangladesh had 35% non muslims...today they have less than 7%. Where did these non-Muslims go, Shaka? You probably think they decided not to proceate. In reality, they were all converted, killed, or driven away. So, in Pakistan, who were the guys that got rid of 25% of their population? Some hardliners sitting in remote caves? Or is there a better explanation? Is it possible that hardline terrorist Islam IS the mainstream in Pakistan??? These same Mainstream Islamic Jihadists are the one, who drove away minority Hindus from Kashmir, and now are demanding that Kashmir now be merged with Pakistan...why...because it is a Muslim area....thats why.... The Hindus in India paid a very big price for being tolerant to Islam...If the West is not careful, so shall you in future...Look at the rise of Islam in Europe...US will not be far behind.
 
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IronSeeker    RE:Catholicism and Islam   6/24/2003 9:28:45 PM
very interesting points sarge. I'm interested in reading more on this. Where did you get these ideas? I dont think I've heard of the "arab ego" problem before, but it does seem to connect the dots. Do you have any links to material on this? I'd like to substantiate it a bit more in my mind before I weigh it into my thinking. -I.S.
 
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mustavaris    RE:Catholicism and Islam   6/25/2003 1:13:00 AM
Very well said sarge.. One thing has to be added; when speaking about women´s status in Islamic world and their racism... we don´t have to go further than to 19th century when we can find such among western people. Much of it was reality longer and much of it is still reality. Eg the black people of the USA got their de facto voting right in the south in 60´s. Abortion is not legal everywhere and women´s paychecks are still lower in many western countries. There is an infinite supply of such things still existing in the west. To put it short; mentally Islamic world is some 100 - 200 years behind the West. Some areas less, some more. But they are catching up. Sooner or later. They wont ever become "western" but some of the basic values will be adopted by them because every sane person will in the end accept them. Healthy individualism, freedom of thought and equal basic rights.
 
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SGTObvious    RE:Catholicism and Islam-Ironseeker   6/25/2003 4:51:35 AM
Most of this comes from "The Arab Mind" by Raphael Patai. Here's a review of it: http://www.socialsciencesweb.com/The_Arab_Mind_1578261171.html As far as I know the material is not on the web. You have to hit the library or plunk down some money, but it is worth it. The Arabs Ego problem has been touched on many times, even on strategy page, when an article reported that US troops were able to provoke Iraqis into making suicidal attacks by insulting their sexual capabilities thru a Humvee mounted loudspeeker.
 
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American Kafir    RE:Catholicism and Islam   6/25/2003 7:52:52 AM
>Islam doesn't cause Arab racism, Arab racism causes fundamentalist Islam. Any proud group that finds its ego challenged but has no other way to respond turns to religion. It's a way of saying "I may be poor and humble, but I'm a beleiver so I'm still better than you". Arabs, with the ultimate ego challenge, create the ultimate religion. If the Arabs had been Christian, they would be fundamentalist fanatic violent christians today, for that very reason.< I'm not so sure we can accurately diagnose Arab racism as the cause of Islamic fundamentalism. For one thing, before Islam ethnically cleansed the Arabian peninsula of non-Muslims at the deathbed behest of a man deemed a prophet because he had a mole on his back, the Arab people were actually a fairly diverse, progressive society. Women owned property and led successful businesses (like Muhammad's first wife, Khadijah). Arab Jews worshipped alongside Arab Christians, Arab Sabeans, Arab Zoroastrians, Arab Hindus, and other Vedic polytheists. Caravans brought trade and culture from Africa, the Mediterranean, Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent. We can't deride Arab culture and not notice that until the dawn of Islam, Arab culture really didn't look anything like the intolerant fascist kleptocracy it became in the 7th Century. I'm not sure how much the Byzantine Empire inspired Muhammad's political thinking (there's a nice research project) but if this diplomatic dispatch from Muhammad to the Omani of southeast Arabia is any indication... "Peace be upon the one who follows the right path! I call you to Islam. Accept my call, and you shall be unharmed. I am God's Messenger to mankind, and the word shall be carried out upon the miscreants. If, therefore, you recognize Islam, I shall bestow power upon you. But if you refuse to accept Islam, your power shall vanish, my horses shall camp on the expanse of your territory and my prophecy shall prevail in your kingdom." ...ideological dissent among Arabians against Islam was, shall we say, discouraged. What we're looking at is an ideology of violence codified into a religion after a vigorous purging of civilization from the Arabian peninsula. 14 centuries later, even non-Arabic Indonesians are employing this ideology to acheive dominance over others. I don't think we can blame Arab culture. We must blame Islam's mark on Arab culture, as we can see what Islamic thought has done to other cultures, from Muhammad's smashing of Vedic idols in the Kabaa at Mecca, to Caliph Omar's using the Library Of Alexandria for a bonfire, right on up to the Taliban destroying the Buddha statues at Bamiyan Province in Afghanistan. We ARE at war with Islam, not because we want to be, but because the people attacking us with airplanes and suicide bombers represent Islam and say they are are war with us. The proof's in the pudding.
 
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