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Subject: Libyans don't want to be Arabs anymore.
SGTObvious    6/26/2003 11:10:33 AM
Yes, it's true. They are giving up on this "Arab" thing, it just isn't working out. "The Libyan 'Popular Assembly' has just passed a bill to drop the word 'Arab' from the country's official name. After next September, Libya will describe itself as 'The African Republic of Libya'." WHAT? Yes, it's all here: It seems a large number of Iraqis don't want Iraq to be an "Arab" nation either- especially the Kurds, who have never been Arabs. Even Qatar and Bahrain are looking for ways to ditch the Arabness of being Arab: "The Gulf state of Qatar has prepared a plan in which the Arab League will be dissolved and replaced with a new organisation that could eventually admit non-Arab states. Calls for abolishing the Arab League or reforming it beyond recognition have also come from the moderate Gulf kingdom of Bahrain and the fundamentalist regime in the Sudan." The Times they are a changing.
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ChrisWI    RE:Libyans don't want to be Arabs anymore.   6/26/2003 11:22:50 AM
Its about time, changes are coming slowlybut they are coming, which is good.
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Spent Case    RE:Libyans don't want to be Arabs anymore.   6/26/2003 11:39:51 AM
Khadafi, as of late, has been trying to get some sort of pan-African movement going. One guess as to who he sees heading this thing. He's just taking another direction to "Libyan greatness". Instead of looking east (Arabs) he's looking south (Africans). Recall his touring convoy of the continent.
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Spent Case    RE:Libyans don't want to be Arabs anymore.   6/26/2003 11:42:55 AM
One more thing... Could this be a "Berber identity" thing? I honestly don't know, so hopefully someone who knows better will say something.
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Thomas    RE:Libyans don't want to be Arabs anymore.   6/30/2003 4:48:09 AM
I think mr. Gadaffi has poor experience with terrorist support.
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jean    RE:Libyans don't want to be Arabs anymore.   7/7/2003 9:42:28 AM
In USa you seem to have very simplistic ideas. Which is not good is evil , which is not white is black....etc the lybian gov. has removed the term "arab" in the country name , and now they are not arabs anymore. Congratulations for this argument. When someone in USA has the good ide to remove " in god we trust" , you won't be anymore christians or else ??? you make confusion with "people" or "socialist" republic which are non permanent political states.
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Thomas    RE:Libyans don't want to be Arabs anymore.   7/8/2003 9:30:45 AM
The US ideas of the rest of the world are not more simplistic than Europes. Europeans redicule yanks for not knowing the name of their capital, France being the capital of Moscow f.i.; but very few Europeans can name the capital of Michigan, Louisiana, Texas or New York. The European idea that Bush is just a dumb cowboy is as stupid as the notion of Reagan being a second rate actor - they failed to realise his efforts in the actors union. We Europeans that know France (and Sweden for that matter) we know what we dislike!
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SGTObvious    Stop ignoring the REST of the argument, Jean   7/8/2003 6:26:17 PM
Congratulations, Jean, for thinking that my whole premise on Libyan identity trends rests on one sentence, instead of analyzing the whole trend discussed in the article. Very Simplistic of you. Is that a typical French Trait? Do you offer any evidence to counter the argument that the Libyan leadership is seeking to establish a pan-African identity at the expense of Pan-Arab identity, or do you simply beleive, in typical French Arrogance, that what you say must be correct, simply because a French Person says it? As for Good and Evil, Jean, sometimes, unless you are French, you must draw the line. That is why there would never have been a "Vichy England". Yes, we Americans have a saying- we call'em like we see'em. (It's from baseball, but nevermind). If you don't, nothing ever gets done. We have another saying, and it comes from some famous person, maybe Churchill or Franklin, I don't know, but the words are: "the only thing necessary for the triumph of Evil is for Good men to do Nothing". Your French blurring of good and evil into one cloudy gray fog is nothing more than your excuse to do... Nothing. Beleive it or not, there IS evil in the world. Your grandparents saw it, or maybe they were part of it. But somehow most of their grandchildren failed ot learn the lesson, and no longer know what it looks like. Since you are unable to tell Good from Evil, the only logical thing for you to do, if you wish to further the cause of Good in the world, is trust in people who still can. You find them in the US, UK, Denmark, Australia, and even in other places. There are even a few in France. Listen to them. Here's a lesson on the nature of good and evil. When US troops entered the suburbs of Bagdad, they found a Prison for Children- held as political prisoners, as young as 4 or 5! That's "EVIL". Bad, Bad, Bad evil. Brave men with guns made that evil go away. Good men. Good vs Evil, lesson one!
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swhitebull    RE:Stop ignoring the REST of the argument, Jean   7/8/2003 6:36:54 PM
the only thing necessary for the triumph of Evil is for Good men to do Nothing" - edmund burke, irish philospher (and a thanks to google)
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Elbandeedo    RE:Stop ignoring the REST of the argument, Jean   7/9/2003 1:38:58 PM
and if I may paraphrase that wonderful quote into modern context; "The only thing necessary for the triumph of Evil is for Good men to act like the french." E.
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Zerbrechen    RE:Libyans don't want to be Arabs anymore.   7/9/2003 3:17:30 PM
I think that what this comes down to, Jean, is that we simple americans have learned to recognize what cartoonist Scott Adams has termed "the way of the weasel." I understand that a change in name does not necessarilly change a populace's makeup. However, this is a sure sign that certain nations do not want to be associated with the term arab anymore. Being an arab has apparently lost its appeal, possibly due to decisions made by other arab nations.
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