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Subject: TWA Flight 800
ChrisWI    8/13/2003 8:27:13 AM
Has anyone else seen the evidence saying that TWA Flt. 800 was shot down by a shoulder fired missile
 
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ChrisWI    RE:why ...   8/15/2003 5:13:27 PM
i mean its been like 5 years since then, just tell the truth
 
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giblets    RE:why ...   8/16/2003 2:20:03 PM
a distinction between an external and internal explosion are pretyy evident (internal blows out, external blows in), also, as pointed out, the explosives used. Also, again pointed out, to cause enough structural damage to an aircraft to destroy the fueselage, is pretty big. In any case it would be the brits who would have wonder about their security. Also you would need pretty detailed info the be able to detect the exact aircraft ( i.e an american owned 747) on that route (very busy, many flights from india etc, stop in London before heading on to new york, especially back then before the 777 and A340), at night, at 35,000ft (10miles). Had it been just outside an airport (like mombassa) the odds of that type of attack would be higher. But back then there was not as many missiles on the markert ( the collapse of the USSR has greatly aided that. For more info on the info that lead to the bomb conclusion, the Beeb has a fair bit of info http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/1145880.stm
 
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Ashley-the-man       3/2/2007 1:44:27 AM
American Kafir RE:why ... 8/15/2003 3:46:26 PM >Then why did they cover it up?http://cashill.com/twa800/index.htm American Kafir RE:why ... 8/15/2003 3:46:26 PM >Then why did they cover it up?http://cashill.com/twa800/index.htm
 
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Ashley-the-man       3/2/2007 1:45:03 AM
American Kafir RE:why ... 8/15/2003 3:46:26 PM >Then why did they cover it up?http://cashill.com/twa800/index.htm
 
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Ashley-the-man       3/2/2007 1:45:51 AM
American Kafir RE:why ... 8/15/2003 3:46:26 It might cause a panic if Americans were to learn that they were unprotected from terrorism. Remember Clinton's terrorism policy was pretty much "sh*t happens" With the bus that is Hillary picking up momentum, I wonder if the Bush administration will ever get their dooty together in time before the 2008 election to start meaningful investigations of the most corrupt criminal enterprise in American history – namely the Clinton family values. One wonders how naïve is Bush and more so Rove as to the possibility that Hillary will continue the plundering and emasculation of the United States. Or are they so underestimated that they felt confident that they could win in 2000 and 2004 and then unleash wide scale investigation during 2008 that would recapture the White House for their successor and return congress to republican control. I doubt they are so adept and calculating – they can’t hold a candle to the democrats and the Clintons in that regard – that they can orchestrate the type of investigation that is called for. They may simply be faced with the Roswell dilemma. If they uncover too much of what occurred by and under the Clintons then the scandal will make Watergate look like a panty raid. If there truly are aliens at Roswell, release of evidence of visitation by aliens would so disrupt society that a continued cover-up is the only responsible option. From the postings to this thread, it appears that few are aware of the books put out by Jack Cashill, and Peter Lance on the alleged cover-up of the downing of TWA 800. With Scooter Libby awaiting a verdict in his trial for outing Valerie Plame, Sandy Berger gets a wrist slap as he continues a cover-up for his old boss Bill Clinton. For those not initiated, here is a link to the Jack Cashill website that is conducting an ongoing investigation into the TWA 800 disaster and the possible tie in to the wider war on terror subject. http://cashill.com/twa800/index.htm
 
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Pseudonym       3/4/2007 9:34:35 PM
"2) Investigators found traces of plastic explosive (specifically Semtex) on items from -inside- the plane. No missile would do this. Plus no missile warhead that I know of uses Semtex."

There were K9 teams using these planes with c4 and semtex to practice finding bombs.  The semtex residue, most likely came from that.

"3) Significant evidence at the bombing trial was presented that pointed to a bomb being smuggled on board the plane -- this included both physical evidence and witnesses. So no other theory but a bomb fits the known facts and evidence of the incident."

This I had never heard.  I always though TWA800 was caused due to a faulty wire sparking the fumes in main fuel tank, and that the airline industry reacted to this explanation as if it were real.

While I admit the possibility of President William Clinton lying his butt off so he doesn't have to deal with a terrorism problem, I doubt the truth could have been hidden in an investigation this size.  Too many people involved.
 
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Ashley-the-man       3/9/2007 8:53:32 PM
 There were K9 teams using these planes with c4 and semtex to practice finding bombs.  The semtex residue, most likely came from that.

I assume you mean “plane.” The FBI seemingly located a test of the subject plane in St. Louis. A handler placed a test packet (actually several) on a plane being cleaned for a routine test for his dog. The handler siad it was not the same plane and cites time logs at the airport to support his position. The FBI never extensively debriefed him and seems to have grasped at this straw to support a convenient theory.

 

This I had never heard.  I always though TWA800 was caused due to a faulty wire sparking the fumes in main fuel tank, and that the airline industry reacted to this explanation as if it were real.

 

The official FBI/NTSB determination. Of course the NTSB was immediately muscled away from the investigation when the FBI feared a crime had been committed and treated the wreckage as a crime scene – never mind that the NTSB does crash investigation for breakfast and would have a huge leg up on the FBI in capability. No other aircraft of this type or similar type ever crashed under similar circumstances, a faulty wire sparking to ignite fuel vapors. Of course Boeing strongly protested the finding. Granted that they have a vested interest, but they did not protest strongly when they had to re-design rudders and cargo doors when the NTSB found defects that led to crashes. Their engineers tend to be proud of their work and as a group they rejected the sparking wire theory.  Boeing was brow beaten into submission by the threat the NTSB could pose to continued operations.

 

Not only was Boeing upset with the finding, but flight crews also were skeptical. How would you as a flight crew like to fly on any plane that could blow up mid-air at any minute? How would you as a passenger feel about the prospect? I don’t remember hearing the NTSB issue an order to immediately ground all aircraft to repair the ticking time bombs that were flying the friendly skies. 

 

While I admit the possibility of President William Clinton lying his butt off so he doesn't have to deal with a terrorism problem, I doubt the truth could have been hidden in an investigation this size.  Too many people involved.

 

Actually an investigation of this nature is among the easiest to cover up. This type of CSI is extremely technical and the ability of outside investigative reporters to conduct even limited research is almost impossible. Two independent reporters did secret some tiny swatches of fabric to have them tested for bomb residue. The FBI went so anal that they had the reporters arrested and threatened a lawsuit unless the swatches were returned, newspapers agreed to not run a story on the results and the reporters never discuss their findings. If the FBI got the results back from the independent investigation and they were negative it would make sense to release the findings. Unless – the swatches had explosive residue, and or the FBI could not risk having a crime scene compromised by amateur Sherlock Holmes. Another interesting point is that the reporters were arrested for removing evidence from a “crime scene investigation.” If the plane blew up from a wire short, what crime is there? I’ll refer this question over to Scooter Libby, he is a little more up to speed on this issue at present.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is the benefit we have of hindsight. We assume today that the FBI is conducting counter-terrorism investigations with extreme vigor. In 1996-1997 this was not the case. The FBI efforts to uncover the plot to bomb the WTC in 93, Oklahoma City, TWA 800, the Bojinka plot, 911,all in the U.S. not to mention the information that they should have obtained that may helped prevent the Cole bombing, and embassy bombings in Africa and night club bombings in Germany all bespeak of a counter-terrorism department in the FBI that was non functional. 

 

While the FBI and NTSB were running in circles trying to sort out claims by witnesses that they saw “streaks of light” angling upwards toward the plane and that the streaks merged with the plane just as it exploded one person took less than 24 hours to take advantage of the opportunity. He was on trial in New York

 
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Ashley-the-man    12th Anniversary   7/17/2008 5:21:49 PM
On the 12th anniversary of the downing of TWA flight 800, the government will require upgrading the safety of airline jet fuel tanks.
 
WASHINGTON — The federal government announced plans Wednesday to require that the safety of thousands of airline jet fuel tanks be upgraded to prevent explosions like the one that downed TWA Flight 800 in 1996.

After more than a decade of sometimes bitter debate, the Department of Transportation will mandate that most large jets have a system to flush explosive gases from the center fuel tank.

The Federal Aviation Administration rule comes one day before the 12th anniversary of the crash.

The NTSB   was never successful in conducting a test of a jet fuel tank where a spark of vapors in an enclosed tank caused an explosion with the force of a significant amount of TNT or similar explosive.  The NTSB also never conducted or made public a test of the effect of several ounces of nito placed and explosed over an enclosed tank.  The NTSB was looking for a mechanical defect to explain the explosion of the fuel tank. 
 
Before the retrofit of the fuel tanks, the government did place hash restrictions on the size of shampoo/tootpaste type containers that could be carried on.  This restriction on containers that could effectively conceal nitro-glycerin type chemicals may have been the most efficative preventive action.
 
The TWA 800 explosion will continue to sustain conspiracy theorists because it is so intimately linked with the 90's rise of Islamic terrorism that culminated in 911.
 
 
 
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