terrorists cannot effect the existance of a state but they can if alowwed determine Policies, however there like little children and if you can deal with them two ways let them throw there tempertantrum till they wear themselves out or slap em on the ass a few times.

Sure policies can be changed - every web site with a poll can do that; but look how often policies are just words. The only real change in policy the Madrid bombing will affect is change of focus of the intelligence service. They might withdraw from Iraq; but then they might increase their proesense somewhere else - that has at least been the effect in Germany. Radical change of policy is merely a reshuffling of forces.

If we're rating which are the best at being the world's largest pains in the rectal orifice, I would hand it to the PLO. They've survived nearly fifty years and actually gained legitimacy. Of course, their repeated attempts to wipe out Israel have voided that legitimacy, or should have. Give them credit for staying power. Incidentally, the longest known resistance movement in the world is the Karen Liberation Army in Burma, which have a reputation as being very efficient and skilled. They've been at it since 1945 thereabouts. AQ pulled off a spectacular attack as mass murder goes, but they also incurred the wrath of most of the world in doing so. Arafat was always careful not to provoke too much, and when he did, he usually got in trouble (Black September, Lebanon, the IDF "visiting" him in Tunisia, his current isolation). Unlike Osama and the homicide bombers he supports, I don't think Arafat is very eager to become a martyr.

Islamic guerillas are not really all the same though their line of thought certainly is. The suicide bombing tactic was firt tried by the Haganah, a jewish group, not often termed as terrorists. The Muslim militant mastered it into its sick and civilian hurting cowardly act it is today. The Haganah NEVER killed or targetted innocent civilians. This tactic was takrn to huge proportions by someone else, who makes the Islamists look like pussycats... the LTTE. They have killed more than 40,000 Sri Lankan civilians in the past fifteen years. Most of them in truck/bus/car and minivan suicide bombings. This dispicable group was originally a 'non violent' group, as is claimed by its equivalent of the Sinn Fein. But they went out of hand and ended up killing two Srilankan presidents as well as an Indian PM. It is also speculated that it has trained LeT and HM militants.

Dead ones! lol... good one on watch

Obviously the most successful terrorist group is the one that gets the CNN, BBC etc to side with them rather than with their victims , and portray them as the sufferers instead of the agressors. The best way to do this is to ensure that any retaliation against them will inevitably hurt innocent non-combatants. I think the PLO rank top of the list.

Not to lessen your point, they're very successfull, but the PLO has an arab nationalistic ideology, much like saddam had; neither are very religious other than as a method of public endearment.

Taliban...the other dark meat!!!

THE DEAD ONES!!!

There was this lebanese guy, creative nut- he wanted to crash 2 airliners above Tel Aviv.