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Subject: A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam -
swhitebull    4/7/2004 12:13:49 PM
Daniel Pipes and the Rand Corporation lay out a plan for defeating the Radical Islam movement: swhitebull - EXCELLENT READING, especially the RAND report. MUST READ!
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Elbandeedo    RE:A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam -    4/9/2004 8:59:39 AM
SW I gotta tell you bud, I'm past all that. I have gone from, "islam is the religion of peace, they worship the same god as us!" line of tripe, through all the stages, and now I'm to the "only good muslim is found in a graveyard, six feet under." - and while i understand some find that abhorent - I'm not that concerned about others feelings, when we find ourselves in a war of survival. HOLY COW! we started out, years ago in this "clash of civilizations" with the sunnis as our "friends" (iraq, Turkey, etc.) and the shi'ites were the bad guys(iran). Now, look at what we have in fallujah, et al. These are NOT wahhabist islamofacsist psycopaths flying airliners into buildings - these are "good muslims" of the "religion of peace" (that's two lies for the price of one!) and now they have their common enemy. If we weren't there they'd be killing each other off, claiming the others were heretics or some such nonsense. There is no peace to be had in a religion that espouses murder to all who do not believe as they do. (ok, that's not entirely accurate - murder only comes if you fail to convert!) My point is this: we can talk all we like about "changing the face of islam" and debunking the islamofacsists - but in the end, it's the entire religion that is at fault. you would have to destroy every copy of the koran, "degausse" the brains of anyone with knowledge of it to stop people from "mistranslating" various "verses" in the koran into murderous action. But, that's just my opinion. shame I can't play with the "football". when I got done with iraq, iran, saudi, syria, lebanon, kuwait, oman, qatar, etc. we could build the worlds largest Disney Universe. think of the great rides! ;-) E.
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On Watch    RE:A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam - aw & all    4/9/2004 11:02:46 AM
swhitebull - EXCELLENT READING, especially the RAND report. MUST READ! Affirm your last! I'll tackle the Full Rand Report later. However the Report Summary, and Dr. Pipes review of Cheryl Benard's thesis(linked below), describes a promising model for action. IMO, the one underused weapon(in addition to TacNukes) in the civilized West's psychological battle against the Islamists at home & abroad, has been our lukewarm attacks on the overt male chauvanistic brutality used on muslim women & children. It is those aspects of fundamentalist/traditionalist Islam which need to be brought under relentless fire. Here is where we(and American Women especially) need to become more proactive. The battering of those defenseless family/tribe members is the rotten core of Islam. It is that cruelty which perpetuates the inculcation of a sick male dominance and lust for submissive victims. A Stockholm syndrome on steroids! Thanks for the report SW, hope to find that it addresses this Victim/Prisoner Theory in some detail. Regards, OW P.S. Read the extract/news release here: Downloaded the Report (88 page PDF) here:
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On Watch    RE:A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam - sw & all   4/9/2004 4:23:41 PM
Hmmm, something ate my homework! What I posted was an 'Affirm' to SW's message, and provided some hotlinks to the Rand Report. Also, threw in my .02 on the role of victimization of women & children under the Islamic scheme. And how the West should use it as a PsychOps weapon for countering the Islao-Fascists PR campaign in the US and elsewhere. OW
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swhitebull    RE:A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam - sw & all   4/9/2004 4:28:24 PM
Here's the Rand Corp link: swhitebull
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dudley    RE:A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam -    4/9/2004 4:41:15 PM
bandeedo-what your seeing is the remnants of saddamns secret police,fayadeen etc..most iraqis are just like us in that they just want a chance to live their lives in prosperity and peace.iraq is unique amongst arab nations cus of their history and education.
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sentinel28a    RE:A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam -    4/9/2004 6:03:47 PM
I agree in principle, Dudley, but the problem is that the peaceful Iraqis have to stand up and be counted, just like the moderate Palestinians will have to do if their cause is ever to gain legitimacy. Unlike the moderates in Jericho, moderates in Iraq don't have to worry about Hamas beheading them if they say something they don't like. They *do* have to worry about being blown up by fedayeen, but that problem is decreasing. Unfortunately, it seems that these moderate Iraqis right now are either too busy keeping their heads down for fear of backing the wrong horse (they've been burned before), or just because they want someone else to do it for them. The Kurds are an exception, which is why my most radical solution of pulling out of Iraq involves pulling Coalition soldiers back to Kurd territory, and letting the Shiite and Sunni hotheads murder each other to their heart's content. And maybe suspending aid shipments "for security reasons." Maybe if these people get tired of their heroic "cousins" shooting them and start getting hungry, they'll remember who tried to restore law and order and sent them aid shipments. Of course, we'll be condemned as horrible, evil, fascist, etc., but that's about par for the course these days anyway. In the meantime, I'm enough of an optimist to hope things smooth out. Fallujah is paying a price for what happened a week ago. (The inhabitants are living in tents? Aww, poor creatures. Guess you shouldn't have drug those bodies through the street, huh? Let's see if Pavlov's lesson sinks in this time.) If we can settle Sadr's hash in the next few days, his bunch will go the way of the last Mahdi Army, though I suppose it's too much to hope that they'll charge tanks with the same suicidal aplomb as their ancestors charged Maxim-armed British infantry squares.
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On Watch    RE:A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam - sw   4/9/2004 6:08:34 PM
Thanks swhitebull but that link seems blocked, maybe this link to the extract/nes release will work? If so scroll 1/2 way down for the hotlink to the Full PDF Report - 88 pages
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swhitebull    RE:A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam - sw & all   4/9/2004 6:20:39 PM
Try this, it's a PDF file: swhitebull - last try
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StymiestxBlitz    RE:A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam - sw & all   4/9/2004 7:07:15 PM
its medhi the mahdi army was in the Sudan
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sentinel28a    RE:A Battle Plan For Defeating Radical Islam - sw & all   4/10/2004 1:38:43 AM
According to MSN, Sadr's bunch is called al-Mahdi, which makes sense if he's setting himself up as some defender of Islam.
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