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Subject: hate v hate where is the line
mudshark    4/11/2004 9:11:10 AM
Hate v hate .this is part of an article from the daily mirror Right wing extremists taunted followers of the radical Muslim cleric Abu hamza yesterday. Up to 100 national front members marched on a mosque in north London as the banned preacher delivered a sermon outside. They burned a picture of osama bin laden before hanging a union flag on the gates of the mosque. I’m sure most of the posters are familiar with Abu hamza. The right wing on this site must be aware that some of the propaganda used in regards to Muslims must fuel the national front and there ilk If you start to give these people a voice because it suites our needs how will we stop them when it don’t? The middle class in Germany supported the Nazis because it suited them but when the communist threat had been assimilated it was too late. So three questions the first How do you feel about appealing to this mentality? The second question A dictionary description of treason Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies Abu hamza, is he guilty of treason? And third If so why has he not been charged? My opinion I would have been happy to see the police crack the heads of both sides Or better still let them go at it for 20 minutes then gone in and cracked the heads or both sides Ps I know that the same question could be asked in regards to the left wing propaganda E.g. how do the left feel about appealing to the Islamic extremist’s mentality? Here`s hoping that even though we are diametrically apposed in how to achieve it, our goals are the same 1 piece in Israel 2 freedom for Iraq the middle east and the rest of the world 3 the recognition that Islamic fundamentalism is a threat to the second goal Mudshark gets in trench puts helmet on sticks fingers in ears squints eye’s and hopes he has done nothing to incur any body’s wrath. Will stick head out to have a look but the moment the shooting starts im going home …… no im not French
 
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Final Historian    RE:hate v hate where is the line   4/12/2004 1:46:36 PM
Neo-Cons are not at all like the National Front, which is essentially fascist in nature. The Neo-Cons tend to be along the lines of classical liberals, which is almost, but not quite, a polar opposite of the National Front's racist philosophy. Neo-Cons oppose the Islamists for ethical and political reasons, not racial/relgious ones.
 
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swhitebull    RE:hate v hate where is the line   4/12/2004 1:54:19 PM
.. Ps if you ever get into a fight with our mate Abu hamza remember stay away from his right hook .sorry couldent resist that one.o yes indeed the sophisticated British humor .. Would NEVER work against me - I'm a loofer, and have been dealing with the right hooks of people ALL of my life - it's the righties that have a hard time dealing with Me, since they have no natural defenses against an attack from that side, whereas we loofers practice it all of our lives. And it's the source of our secret strength - we've SEEN the left, know its strengths and weaknesses, and therefore also know the strengths and vulnerabilities of the right like no one else can know. That's what makes us neo-conservatives - a better term might be Kennedy Democrats - since many of its members consist of fomrer Democrats, who evolved out of the former democratic party, when the party abandoned them. Socially liberal, and defense and foreign policy activists. So I would say let the abu hamzas of the world beware the neo-cons instead - we have the left hooks to end all left hooks, and they dont even know its coming to its struck. ..I think sbull has called me this to amuse his self and to make me feel uncomfortable Stop messing with my head. I will ask the mighty sbull directly .are you happy appealing to the national front mentality on the matter of Islam.... It SHOULD make you uncomfortable - you HAVE described part of the neo-con ideology in regards to radical Islam, or, more accurately, Islamo-fascism. Wherein the National Front of rightist confronts the fascism of Islam. Absolutely delicious! And a plague on both their houses. As the operators of this board has said - with much evidence to back it up - the appeal of Islamo-Fascism should burn out by the next generation. And Europe begins to look to itself and re-evaluate its immigration policies, and, more importantly, the rot that has set in to its continental psyche, resulting in an ennui and insular outlook confined within its own territories. I find it ironic that it is Europe that has become increasingly isolationalist in the affairs of the world, reacting rather than acting, and it is the United States, who has traditionally been the isolationalist in foreign affairs, has become more and more activist. A vacuum that is being filled by Europe's collective lack of will. swhitebull swhitebull -
 
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nathan    RE:swhitebull   4/15/2004 3:53:52 AM
For many European nations, it isn't lack of will but lack of strength. Remember that Russia is also a European nation and I don't think that many would doubt her ambitions on the world stage. Oh, and what do you believe the immigration policies of European nations to be and how are they different to those in America?
 
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American Kafir    RE:hate v hate where is the line   4/15/2004 7:30:36 AM
"are you happy appealing to the national front mentality on the matter of Islam." No one has to appeal to them. They've every right to make asses of themselves as anyone else. And as far as containing them once they cross the line, that's easy. Plenty of people have died trying to steal more concrete than they could swim with.
 
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Green Dragon    RE:swhitebull   4/16/2004 6:20:51 AM
Assimilation as opposed to pluralism. In the 'New World' assimilate or exercise your 'right of return' (from wherever whence you came). In the 'Old World', form a ghetto (there's that word again), marginalise and discuss, plan and ultimately carry out terrorist atrocities. Read it again, do you you notice the miniscule dissimilarities?.
 
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gf0012-aust    nathan   4/16/2004 6:30:26 AM
quote: "Remember that Russia is also a European nation and I don't think that many would doubt her ambitions on the world stage" I reckon that you'd have a hard time convincing the Russians and (their emotional/genetic) cousins, the serbs of this. They're Slavs before anything else. Most Russians/Serbs I've worked with have been absolutely dismissive of Euros. the unfortunate expression "untermesnchen" springs to mind when I remember their opinions on europeans.
 
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nathan    RE:gf0012-aust   4/16/2004 11:23:25 AM
Mmm, I don't want to criticise you mate but if you can find a Serb or a Russian that says he isn't European, then I'll show you an idiot.
 
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Green Dragon    RE:gf0012-aust   4/22/2004 6:59:24 AM
Dojik(?)!.
 
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