>>Here`s hoping that even though we are diametrically apposed in how to achieve it, our goals are the same 1 piece in Israel<< PEACE is a laudable goal, however 'Peace at any Price' with Islamo-Fascists can be sucide. What we are doing is to create the conditions for Peace in the region. Concurrently, convince the Pali terrorists et al that PEACE is their only real option for survival. Happilly, we are in fact, on our way toward reaching Goal # 1 via the objectives you mentioned in your Goal # 3. Then, when the next administration of President Bush hands off in 2009 to the next President Bush and V.P. Rice, we all may be a long way toward accomplishing your DREAM in Goal # 2. ON Watch

>>A dictionary description of treason Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies Abu hamza, is he guilty of treason? Is he a subject of the British Crown? I don't think he is. >>And third If so why has he not been charged? See above.

If Hamza has the right to preach his perversion of Islam, then British protestors have the right to spit in his face. Welcome to democracy, something Hamza must regret every day. People in Iran don't have that right. I wouldn't necessarily support these protestors going in to Hamza's mosque and burning it to the ground, though I admit I'm more amenable to that than Hamza continuing to spread his poison. If you play with fire, you get burned.

I like Mudshark's idea of both sides going at it. The National Front are essentially soft-core Nazis, seeming them fight the Islamists would eliminate 2 birds with one stone.

Soft-core v Hard-core? Do we get cheap seats and free popcorn?.

Abu Hamza al-Masri He was born as Mustafa Kamel Mustafa in Alexandria, Egypt, to middle-class parents. In 1979, he came to London with plans to become a civil engineer. He studied in Brighton and later worked as a doorman in the West End. He married a western woman, Valerie Fleming, in 1981 and received his British citizenship. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2668343.stm here’s the full low down on him Apparently he is a British citizen. I am I big believer in freedom of speech but not if it incites violence. That goes for right wing or left I had the misfortune of knowing one of national front Nazi f****s Big bald tattoos every where 19 stone of hate. He had hate for every body Jews blacks Muslims you name it, if it wasn’t a heterosexual and white he hated it. Fortunately im a big chap with a shaved head so he respected my appearance. I would let him speak with out giving him any indication of my opinion. I wanted to understand him.and what made him tick. I will say this we do not give these people any voice at all not for any reason not to fight any other threat they will spread like a cancer appealing to the lowest most violent paranoid part of any society. Our acquaintance ended when I was forced to render his son. who fits the same description, unconscious and like all his cronies he lacked the balls to do any thing about it on his own. Here’s what he preached all be it with out the subtlety used on this site. http://www.natfront.com/ Our unique cultural heritage is being destroyed and the precious asset of a common culture is already lost: We are heading towards a racial catastrophe and all the racial groups in this country will experience its bloody consequences A small paragraph from the above web site True? Possibly My words The racial attacks on whites are covered up by the press and the Minnie race wars mainly Asian Muslims against whites are played down by the media. Bullying by Muslims in British schools has become a problem. The media does not like to report at all on this. True? Definitely My own 12 year old nephew has been bullied by an Asian that stands a foot taller than him. when he complained to teachers he was told not to or retaliates as he would be expelled. Had his attacker been white there would be no problem the boy would have been warned and then expelled. Common practice in British schools. P.c gone mad to frightened to move for being labeled a racist a sexist or homophobic. here I am… on one side Nazis on the other Islamic fundamentalists. So once we have used theses Nazi’s as a tool and converted a few more moderates with our rhetoric who’s going to put the cork back in the bottle? My point at last. You reap what you so we employ racism to suppress extremist Muslims it won’t be long before it directed at other minorities. Maybe you. Sorry it’s badly set out but i am not re righting it out. I have a tendency to let my mind runaway. Les politely known as wittering on. See im doing it again.

someone should bought all those limeys a few pints b4 they went down there and then they should of p****d all over that imam.

p.s I am not a racist I love and hate according to who you are as a person not what your ethnicity is. I make one rule you allow me to be my self. if I am worried about what I say for fear of offending your culture or race then I won’t want to speak to you at all. I perceive radical Islamic as a threat to my way of life and to others freedom. I don’t think that makes me racist?

..I perceive radical Islamic as a threat to my way of life and to others freedom. I don’t think that makes me racist? Not at all - it makes you a realist - and a neo-con! swhitebull

What was I called let me think ………o yes Intellectually bankrupt. An advocator of terrorism. On watch called me inherently anti Semitic because im European. If I misinterpreted that on watch i am sorry. Then went on to say you bloody Europeans are all the same. More eloquent than that but that was the gist I think. Still hurting over that one on watch. Its not that I got any thing against the Germans or French but to be told i am like them It’s more than can bear. Now i am a neo con. I think sbull has called me this to amuse his self and to make me feel uncomfortable Stop messing with my head. I will ask the mighty sbull directly .are you happy appealing to the national front mentality on the matter of Islam. Are they an evil witch you are preperd to use? If so how will we stop them when they have a foot hold We have seen the rise in Europe of fascism targeting the Muslims as a common enemy. Who next the Jews blacks? You must see this. Obviously you see it so tell me. What’s the plan? Aren’t the national front neo cons?? Ps if you ever get into a fight with our mate Abu hamza remember stay away from his right hook .sorry couldent resist that one.o yes indeed the sophisticated British humor