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Subject: Don't Worry, Be Happy - we ONLY Kill Non-Muslims.
swhitebull    6/8/2004 1:37:02 PM
Eye-Witness accounts of the recent Saudi Khobar attacks: Is this anyway to run a jihad ? - "What kind of a jihad is this?" Comment after no Americans were killed in the attack on the Saudi police station. From Daniel Pipes : http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13680 "Don't Worry, We Don't Kill Muslims" By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | June 8, 2004 After an Islamist rampage in the Saudi town of Khobar on May 29-30 that ended in the death of twenty-two persons, survivors of that atrocity have recounted how the terrorists went to great lengths to ensure that they would kill only non-Muslims. Their actions raise a delicate but urgent issue: how might non-Muslims best protect themselves if caught in such a situation? Even as the massacre was underway, the terrorists took pains to distinguish Muslims from non-Muslims. Here are some of the survivors’ testimonies: Hazem Al-Damen, Muslim, Jordanian: two terrorists knocked on his door and asked him and others hiding whether they were “Muslims or Christians.” On hearing “Muslims,” the assailants told them to stay in the room because their purpose was to rid the country of Americans and Europeans. Abu Hashem, 45, Muslim, an Iraqi-American engineer (also called “Mike” in some accounts): The terrorists demanded his residency card, which documented his religion (Muslim) and nationality (American). That combination provoked an argument between two terrorists. “He’s an American, we should shoot him,” said one. “We don’t shoot Muslims,” replied the other. The two went back and forth until the latter decided it: “Don’t be afraid. We won’t kill Muslims, even if you are an American.” With this decision, the terrorists turned polite, even apologizing for breaking into Abu Hashem’s home, searching it, and leaving blood stains on his carpet. Abdul Salam al-Hakawati, 38, Muslim, a Lebanese corporate financial officer: He and his family hid upstairs in their house after hearing gunfire. Downstairs, they heard the terrorists break in and rummage around before one apparently noticed framed Koranic verses on the wall and announced to the others, “This is a Muslim house.” When a heavily armed terrorist came upstairs, Al-Hakawati confirmed his identity by greeting the assailant with “Assalamu ‘Alaykum,” the Muslim greeting. Nizar Hajazeen, Christian, a Jordanian software businessmen: He hid with another Jordanian in a room but they opened the door when two armed young men banged violently on it. The terrorists asked the identity of the Jordanians, Arab or Westerners. “We’re Arab,” came the response. Each was then asked, “A Christian or a Muslim?” Both claimed to be Muslims and showed a Koran as proof. Taking care to kill only non-Muslims appears to be in response to widespread Saudi criticism of Islamist terrorism directed against Muslims; Saudis seem to agree that murder is a tool suitably directed only against non-Muslims, as two quotes suggest: Abdelaziz Raikhan, a maintenance man for the Saudi security forces, responded to the suicide bombing of a police headquarters in Riyadh that killed 5 people and wounded 148 on April 21, accusing the perpetrators of being “mentally ill. … There’s not one American in this entire area. Not one! What kind of jihad is this?” Mohsen al-Awaji, a Saudi lawyer, suggests that terrorists should be encouraged by the authorities to go to the many “occupied territories that require resistance,” such as in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, and Chechnya. “If someone decides to go, we wish him luck. He’s going to die anyway, so let him die there while achieving something, not die here and kill innocents with him.” Nor is this the first time Islamists have specifically targeted infidels. In Malaysia in 2000, for example, jihadists purposefully killed two non-Muslim hostages and spared two others, both Muslims. In Pakistan in 2002, a police chief noted killers “took a good fifteen minutes in segregating the Christians and making sure that each one of their targets gets the most horrific death.” The murderers separated Christians from Muslims by requiring each hostage to recite a verse from the Koran. Those who could not were shot. In all these cases, non-Muslims facing jihadists could have saved themselves by passing as Muslims. There are several ways they could have done this. They might have greeted their potential murderers with Assalamu ‘alaykum (which, ironically, means “peace be with you”). They might have recited in Arabic the Shahada, the Islamic statement of faith. Or they might have recited in Arabic the first sura (chapter) of the Koran, the essential prayer of Islam called the Fatiha (“Opening”). In the past, such knowledge would have saved lives. It could probably do so again in the future. Daniel Pipes () is director of the Middle East Forum and author of Miniatures (Transaction Publishers). Special feature, PLEASE NOTE: the m
 
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swhitebull    RE:Don't Worry, Be Happy - we ONLY Kill Non-Muslims - but will this count   6/28/2004 1:07:39 PM
..I think the uhma might just rise up in rage and disgust if they see this young man murdered, since he is one of their own.. Personally, I think that there will be some excuse made, like he wasnt a REAL muslim, since he wasnt born to it, or he practiced the "AMerican" version of Islam, etc etc etc. Regardless, the excuse and justification WILL be made. THEN the whoopa@s will follow. swhitebull
 
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American Kafir    RE:Don't Worry, Be Happy - we ONLY Kill Non-Muslims - but will this count   6/29/2004 12:27:57 AM
Dont forget the 3 Turkish workers held hostage by the "Tawhid & Jihad" murderers and cowards in Iraq. I hate to sound cynical (okay, I don't hate sounding cynical as much as I hate being cynical) but terrorist Muslims have been willing and happy to kill other Muslims with little or no regret since the Caliphate of Abu Bakr. One thing that has always been part and parcel of Islam is the willingness of various sectarian leaders to lead their followers to fight each other for the undisputed right to lead Islam to kill other people. The Sunni-Shia split being the more obvious example.
 
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Elbandeedo    RE:Don't Worry, Be Happy - we ONLY Kill Non-Muslims - update   6/29/2004 11:23:59 AM
Apparently they released the Turkish captives. "In a show of magnanimity to our muslim brothers..." blah blah blah. got it. They let the Turkish Muslims go. They'll kill the American Muslim and say, "he was an apostate, not a true muslim; he fought for the infidels" or some garbage. E.
 
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On Watch    TV Tactics   6/29/2004 11:40:24 AM
PR games Boys! It's a 'catch & release' program, orchestrated to show how sporting they are with their muslim brothers! What I'm curious about though is the charge that the muslim marine was AWOL prior to his turning up in the Jihadi camp. The story thus far is that he was lured out of his OP - sounds fishy...Sorry to say pals, this all smells like muslim chicanery to me...besides he wouldn't be the first muslim american to flip flop! On Watch
 
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SGTObvious    RE:My fate if caught   6/29/2004 12:04:45 PM
Jehadi tactics will backfire. Just like the rules of air hijacking have changed from "nobody move and nobody will get hurt" to "If we stop the hijacker, we may die, if we fail, we will certainly die." Now our soldiers know that there is no hope in surrender- the enemy has no mercy, and will behead you on Al Jazeera. Every cook, clerk and truck driver will fight like a Ranger to stay alive if there is no other hope, even the ones who might have decided, in other circumstances, that a few years in a POW camp beats a quick death now. I would predict that the level of personal attention paid to weapons care and skills in "rear echelon" units is improving rapidly. There is no excuse, though, for the lack of personal GPS tracking devices. You can now buy GPS locator units that are carried in a pet's collar. Something like this should be available for soldiers and civilians in kidnap prone areas.
 
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American Kafir    RE:My fate if caught   6/29/2004 5:33:27 PM
>>There is no excuse, though, for the lack of personal GPS tracking devices. You can now buy GPS locator units that are carried in a pet's collar. Something like this should be available for soldiers and civilians in kidnap prone areas.<< Entirely possible to do with off-the-shelf current technology. They could integrate small GPS locators in the smart-media Geneva Conventions identity cards carried by military personnel. I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if this hasn't already been done, quietly, given the obvious advantages of knowing the precise location of all forces at all times. Of course, if the hostage is stripped of all possessions and clothing, the GPS tracking won't necessarily lead the rescue team to the hostage. And here we get murky, especially if the discovered clue of the hostage's clothing located by GPS conceals a nasty anti-personnel IED. Remember, they think outside the box too.
 
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sentinel28a    RE:My fate if caught   6/30/2004 1:21:56 AM
If this Marine turns out to be genuine, and if he's been killed, don't expect a lot of prisoners taken if and when the Marines go back into Fallujah.
 
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Elbandeedo    Locating Service-members via GPS   6/30/2004 7:14:41 AM
Just a thought along those lines: My dog and unfortunately several of my cats have a chip that can be scanned by the vet if someone brings them in. that data is tied to a Nationwide database with my families personal contact info, the animals name, health info, etc. A GPS-locatable chip injected under the skin might be a nice idea. Reading that as I type, I start having visions of "mark of the beast" kind of stuff. Those of you who understand that reference will understand why this idea MIGHT not go over big with some folks. I won't go there. not sure if I'd take it or not, considering the possible future implications of such a device and vast opportunity for abuse by government as well. Still, as a platoon sargeant, there were many a day when I'd loved to have had a device like that... preferably with a nice electric-shock device as an integral part... :::ZZZZZAAAAAAPPP!!!!::::: ::muttering under breath:::: Come on private snuffy, you were late for formation 15 minutes ago! Where are you dirtbag!? :::ZZZZAAAAAP!!::: E.
 
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On Watch    Another Catch & Release ?   7/5/2004 4:22:47 PM
Divine intervention? Or What? Group: Captured Marine Alive, 'Safe' Monday, July 05, 2004 BAGHDAD, Iraq — An Iraqi militant group said Monday it had not killed a U.S. Marine it was holding captive, Al-Jazeera television reported. In a statement sent to Al-Jazeera, a group, calling itself "Islamic Response," said it was holding Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun, a U.S. Marine of Lebanese heritage. The group said he was safe at a location it did not identify. ... Family members said Hassoun was born in Lebanon, and then joined the Marines after moving to the Salt Lake City area.(West Jordan) ... Hassoun's father, Ali Hassoun, who lives in Tripoli, Lebanon, repeatedly pleaded for his son's release. He and his other sons have contacted politicians and Muslim clerics in Lebanon and Islamist groups in Iraq in hopes of securing the Marine's release. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124739,00.html
 
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ilpars    RE:Another Catch & Release ?   7/6/2004 2:20:21 AM
"Divine intervention? Or What?" Terorist propaganda. They want to show themselves as righteous anti-crusade fighters.
 
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