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Subject: Aha! You'll Want to Read This!!
sanman    8/8/2005 9:16:33 PM
This is one of the few but increasing times where I hear some honest to goodness remorse and repentance coming from the Islamic community, particularly Pakistan: Internal introspection and self-criticism is the best way for communities to learn and improve their outlook. Without that, any hope of dialogue can be written off. It's really necessary that the other side take a good hard look at themselves.
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eon    RE:Aha! You'll Want to Read This!!   8/8/2005 9:35:05 PM
Anyone want to bet how long this gentleman survives, before one of his co-religionists decides he's an apostate, and applies the theologically correct remedy thereto?
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TriggaFingaz    Damn good read   8/9/2005 4:23:48 PM
This article says out what I've been trying to articulate for years. Why the hell do apparently bright young men (not all terrorists are poor or uneducated) manage to believe the pretexts used by Islamists to kill 'infidels' around the world to avenge Muslim 'victims'? They are so ready to use Kashmir, Chechnya and the Israeli-Pali conflict (before Iraq and Afghanistan) as an excuse to hate the UK or other Western countries, in the arrogant belief that western countries' citizens should be subject to homicide and mass murder if their govts do not subvert their policy towards the Islamists preference.
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appleciderus    Read this next.   8/12/2005 7:57:37 PM
By Paul Johnson, a historian and journalist whose forthcoming book is a history of art. From the October 15, 2001, issue of National Review: ***The Koran, Sura 5, verse 85, describes the inevitable enmity between Moslems and non-Moslems: "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans." Sura 9, verse 5, adds: "Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every strategem [of war]." Then nations, however mighty, the Koran insists, must be fought "until they embrace Islam."*** Appleciderus: All faithful muslims believe these are the words of their god. The Main Stream Media and today’s purveyors of the liberal/socialist/internationalist Political Correctness consider mulsims “moderates” if they do not pick up a gun or strap on a bomb. However, acceptance of the their god’s words makes all muslims contributing members of the terror gripping civilization today. They are considered “moderate” or “peaceful” because they are not actively committing acts of terror and violence. But they contribute to the acts of terror by not rooting out the evil in their midst. They are “passive” terrorists. They support the koran as written, as the word of god. Although they do not pick up a gun, they do not object verbally, or physically attempt to intercede before a known act of violence is committed. They accept the world will not be at peace until all nations accept the koran as the word of god. They resign themselves to witnessing the inevitable, and that all the accompanying violence is the will of god. Not their god against your god, but rather the will of the only god. (imagine the NYT’s editorial if that were the position of any religious group in the US) Imagine western liberal socialists defending the teachings of the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa. That church, isolated from the continuation of the reformation and the age of enlightenment in Europe, endorsed the racial concept of Apartheid. Yet worse atrocities are committed daily in the name of allah. Crimes against humanity are committed (i.e. slavery) and excused through the mantra of “cultural sensitivity”. No amount of hair splitting, no certificate of accomplishment from an institute of higher learning, no commitment to negotiating nuances, no wishful thinking or whistling in the dark can change the fact that 25% of the world’s population is islamic, believes that the koran is god’s voice, and that your children, or grandchildren, will kneel and pray facing east 5 times a day, through the use of violence and against your will. Either prepare yourself to islamic conversion, or prepare to defend yourself from both “passive” and “active” islamic terrorists.
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