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Subject: Islamic warriors and innocent civilians?
trustedsourceofinfo    1/31/2006 12:53:26 AM
So the esteemed warrior from Allah's very own Islamic force Al Qaeda narrowly escaped death and gloats over the fact in a video aired! Here's what really caught my eye in his gibberish nonsense and obviously enuf reason to make headlines in their leading daily.. Check out the news article and of course you'll can hear these Islamic bastards on numerous websites! Innocent people killed in US strike: Zawahri Innocent people killed in US strike: Zawahri Innocent people killed in US strike: Zawahri Innocent people killed in US strike: Zawahri Innocent people killed in US strike: Zawahri Innocent people killed in US strike: Zawahri And once more... Innocent people killed in US strike: Zawahri This is what these bastards from Islamic republic make headlines to spur more jihad...... Since when did the Al Qaeda genteel ever bother abt civilians... Oh-they were Muslims...even if these low lives had no lives-they were muslims...SO all muslims are innocent civilians.... 911 victims are not innocent-2 year old hindu kids shot in the head were not innocent..The great professor from IIT,DElhi who imparted knowledge to Muslims and Hindus alike were not innocent.... When will you fukcing Islamic bastards stop...tell me?? And as long as you keep revering that perp called Mohammed this will continue..believe me..... wake up moderate Muslims.....wake up you idiots!! before the civilised world resorts to unthinkable action..... http://www.dawn.com/2006/01/31/top10.htm Let me quote "
 
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swhitebull    RE:pars-excellent research...   3/14/2006 6:50:48 AM
...No. Quran does not say kill non-believers. In fact killing civilians is a great sin in Islam. So according to Islam all terrorists will goto Hell to burn there indefinately.... UNLESS you designate babies, women and children as soldiers, as the PALIS do repeatedly in their Imams' friday night speeches and fatwahs, to get around this little untidiness. They consistently claim that since every Israeli serves in the military, it is justified to label even babies as soldiers, and threfore legitimate targets. swhitebull - SICK SOCIETY.
 
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jastayme3       9/25/2006 10:56:51 PM

...No. Quran does not say kill non-believers. In fact killing civilians is a great sin in Islam. So according to Islam all terrorists will goto Hell to burn there indefinately....

UNLESS you designate babies, women and children as soldiers, as the PALIS do repeatedly in their Imams' friday night speeches and fatwahs, to get around this little untidiness. They consistently claim that since every Israeli serves in the military, it is justified to label even babies as soldiers, and threfore legitimate targets.

swhitebull - SICK SOCIETY.
They consistently claim that since every Israeli serves in the military, it is justified to label even babies as soldiers, and threfore legitimate targets.
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invalid claim as well. the geneva convention was written at a time when almost every Great Power was dependant on conscription.

 
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jastayme3       12/5/2006 11:31:15 AM

1. Come on. If we all believe only the things that we are sure about than all of us have to be Atheists. And that will be boring.
Besides everybody have a need to believe in something that he do not understand. I do not know you, but most people do not really understand divine matters.

2. Islam is very similar to Christianity and Judaism. If 1 is irrational, the other 2 are also.

3. Nobody is discussing if the God exists. I just say it can not be proven if the God exists or not.

4. Price of leaving Islam is nothing for a Turk. We are secular. And in our society it is accepted that one's religion is his/her own matter. Noone can interfere. Just recently a Turkish model have married a Greek gentlemen and changed her religion to Orthodox Christianity.

5. I see that you are an expert in Islam. Can I ask you how you have became an scholar on the subject?

1. Come on. If we all believe only the things that we are sure about than all of us have to be Atheists. And that will be boring.
Besides everybody have a need to believe in something that he do not understand. I do not know you, but most people do not really understand divine matters.
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Actually we would be agnostics. We can't prove atheism either. But to follow a faith because life would be boring without it is dishonest: we would be saying we believe something we don't really believe. A better picture is we go as far as reason can take us. For the rest we pray-and jump. If it turns out we aren't praying to anything we haven't lost anything. And yes being an atheist-or an agnostic does seem boring. But distaste for other peoples religious doctrine is of limited relevance to it's truth. I have met atheists who were courteous and honorable opponents. I have met others who were uncivilized boors. I hope I was thought the first rather then the second-I suppose I was both depending on my mood at the time. But neither says anything about either of us. For that matter I can say the same about Christians, Jews and Moslems(I remember  one fellow who did  nothing  but  repeat in the net over and over "the Koran is the only book". He was probably a recording which come to think of it means he played every one who responded for a fool).
Be that as it may some things we believe from reason, some things we believe from instinct, and some things we believe from faith. But what we must not do is believe from convenience. But I am sure you don't quite mean to imply that.

 
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jastayme3       12/5/2006 11:51:09 AM

Believing??

Remember the other thread we debated Pars-belief without reasoning and logic is irrational.Period.No ifs and buts.

Islam unfortunately does need nurture the basic desire to question and rationalise.

Mex-this is exactly why you have this world infested with Islamic terrorists.

I am not here to discuss whether God exists or not.

My problem lies with a billion people revering a man who was unscruplous to the hilt.The word of God was according to this revered man.

Can someone tell me what price a man has to pay for leaving Islam as his faith?

Quote me real examples(with proof).....

If you cant ask me and I will furnish proof...

Then I will add data from the Koran too...

"Remember the other thread we debated Pars-belief without reasoning and logic is irrational.Period.No ifs and buts. "

Really? Prove it.

And why is belief irrational and non-belief rational with the same lack of reasoning and logic?

Besides no one really operates on that. Otherwise you could not, to begin with talk on the internet. How do you know you were talking to Pars? You might have been talking to a great conspiracy to record the names of everyone. Don't blame me when two men in black appear at your door. OK they're probabably Mormans-but what if they're not.
Most of the things you know, you know not from reasoning and logic, but because someone else told you. Most of the things even great philosophers and scientists know they know because someone else told them. Even logic and rationality. You know the Socratic method because you learned it in school, and your intuition tells you it is valid. That is you know it on authority and your own sense confirms its validity. You cannot use the scientific method unless you assume before hand that you exist and your senses are reliable(or if you are handicaped, you must at least assume you can estimate how reliable your senses are). If you dismiss all knowledge that has not been proven rationally(under the definition which limits reason to inductive and deductive processes) you are left with almost nothing.


 
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