"Islam is a religion from witch one converts to freely and leaves freely." -->I suggest you read up more before making such a ridiculous statement.Start by reading up other baords where ample proof has been provided regarding the disbelievers.... ""Do you mean Mohhamed, Abraham, Jesus, Buddagh, Moses, or any other Prohpet/Apostle/or any other Religious Leader?"" -->You still havent figured that out...Have you..All these posts from me and a 10 yr old kid wud have deciphered it was Mohammed I'm talkin abt... ""According to thier beliefs, Hell(as in the after life not on Earth)."" -->Well it kinda contradicts your earlier statement in some ways..doesnt it...folks leaving Islam are confined to hell as opposed to Heaven... So a Good Muslim man leaves Islam and turns automatically into a Bad Non Muslim man... Trying to make it easier for u to understand..... Why shud a person be confined to hell just bcos he left Islam... And this stuff is in the Koran.... Here is the Surah(2) and the verses for your perusal.. Quran Surah 2: The Cow 1. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6 2. Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10 3. A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24 4. Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90 5. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104 6. For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114 7. Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126 8. The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162 9. They will not emerge from the Fire. 167 10. Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174 11. How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175 12. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 191 13. War is ordained by Allah. 216 14. Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217 15. Disbelievers worship false gods. They will burn forever in the Fire. 257 16. Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264 17. "Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 286 """If you cant ask me and I will furnish proof..."" -->A little punctuation markwas missed... If you cant,ask me and I will furnish proof.... """Then I will add data from the Koran too..." Please do."" -->I'm gettin started......

"""Mohammed was a slaver and a pirate who married a 6yr old girl and "consumated" this marriage when she was only 9. This alone should tell you" How many wemon did David have? and others in the bible?"" -->How many women did David....let me put an end to this David and Goliath story of yours... How many people revere David...Think up and let me know... And then talk abt reverence for the Prophet...and think abt how his actions and words are inspiring others to kill... Who's inspired by David?? Stop this crap talk of yours... "Why do you judge a Religion based on the actions of the Persians or Arabs?" -->That pretty much covers the people practicing the purer form of Islam... The ones in Pakistan,Indonesia,Phillipines,Chechyna,China take their lessons and money and do the dirt job of training and killing... Who or what is left??? ""Why do the Terrorist kill innocets? Who hasn't?"" -->Who hasnt....lol...Are you really that stupid to make such a remark.... ""When one is in Hevean one does not crave human needs like a number of virgins"" -->Well that seems to be bait for these warriors of Allah.... Mex-please read up what you write before you upload the same.Its so ridiculous that it isnt even funny!

I wonder why you are misquating from the Quran. Here is the more true quation from Quran Surah 2 the cow 6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. 7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). 8. Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe. 9. Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not! 10. In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves). These lines are for the people who said they believe in God but really do not believe in him. The ones who use the religion for their own selfish and false purposes such as Islamic terrorist leaders. 24. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith. Describing hell in these lines. I guess Chritians have a similar view of hell. 38. We said: "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 39. "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein." The classic, if you do not believe in the God, you will go to hell section. Again I guess similar to Christianity. 90. Miserable is the price for which they have sold their souls, in that they deny (the revelation) which Allah has sent down, in insolent envy that Allah of His Grace should send it to any of His servants He pleases: Thus have they drawn on themselves Wrath upon Wrath. And humiliating is the punishment of those who reject Faith. Sorry, no burning in this section. And as you can see it says punishment will come from the Allah not by anything else. 104. O ye of Faith! Say not (to the Messenger. words of ambiguous import, but words of respect; and hearken (to him): To those without Faith is a grievous punishment. The punishment is obviously hell. 114. And who is more unjust than he who forbids that in places for the worship of Allah, Allah.s name should be celebrated?-whose zeal is (in fact) to ruin them? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them except in fear. For them there is nothing but disgrace in this world, and in the world to come, an exceeding torment. By the way; "al" means "the" in English, and "ilah" means "God". "Al-Ilah" or "Allah" literally means "the God". 126. And remember Abraham said: "My Lord, make this a City of Peace, and feed its people with fruits,-such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day." He said: "(Yea), and such as reject Faith,-for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!" These section means, Allah will give pleasure to the ones who only seek pleasure but in afterlife will send them to hell. Obvious I guess. The other sections you quated upto 175 are again boring sections which describes hell. **** 190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. 191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. 192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. Not these sections are important as it is far different than you quated. Because they say only fight when they fight you. When they cease fighting stop fighting and show mercy. From 194 to 217, the Quran talks about the fighting in the sacred month. 194. The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves. 216. Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. 217. They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the

The Bible has many similar things to that. If trustedsoucreinfo, wich is a ironic name for him, can only answer my q's rather than insult me in a barbaric maner I'll be happy. I think that I detect Religious intalornce from him. David was not a man hore, though in those times he was not considered that, but today it would be considerd a man hore. Mohhamed had a 8-9 year old wife, If you can't accept cultural differences that's not my problem. Back then, 12 year olds got married. So you can compare the nine year old to a 20 year old geting together with a 40 year old today. The battles in the bible are more of a metaphor and the description of the way things were. 190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. 191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. 192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Remember my earler post about the Bible quot when God whanted all women and children dead? That was reveange for the things those poeple did to God's nation. God intended Saul to not do as he told him so David could become King after Saul's disshonor. If you read Holy books why didn't you tell me that? 10 year old's are more like teenagers today and 16 year old always threaten your life like King David, He was a semi soldier for the military. so do you even read Jewish or Christian writings? You see I just defended the bible in a way defferent and beter than your tatic. "By the way; "al" means "the" in English, and "ilah" means "God". "Al-Ilah" or "Allah" literally means "the God"." Jehova, Yahweh are other ways of saying GOD. Christian Jewish Please remain mature and do not insult me or others.

>>Quran Surah 2 the cow 6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. 7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). 8. Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.<< Psalms 62:4 "They only consult to cast him down from his high position; They delight in lies; They bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly" >>9. Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!<< John 1:6 and 1:8 "1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth" "1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we devise ourselves, and the truth is not in us" >>10. In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).<< Psalms 2:2-5 2 "The kings of the Earth set themselves, and rulers take consul together, against the Lord against his Anointed saying 3 'Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us' 4 He who sets in the heavens shall laugh; the Lord shall hold hem in derision 5 Then he shall speak to them with his wrath And distress them in his deep displeasure" >>These lines are for the people who said they believe in God but really do not believe in him. The ones who use the religion for their own selfish and false purposes such as Islamic terrorist leaders. pars seemed to make comments where their are too many biblical quotes 24. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith. Describing hell in these lines. I guess Christians have a similar view of hell. 38. We said: "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 39. "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein." The classic, if you do not believe in the God, you will go to hell section. Again I guess similar to Christianity.<< Once agian, more biblical qouts than I'd wish to type >>90. Miserable is the price for which they have sold their souls, in that they deny (the revelation) which Allah has sent down, in insolent envy that Allah of His Grace should send it to any of His servants He pleases: Thus have they drawn on themselves Wrath upon Wrath. And humiliating is the punishment of those who reject Faith. Sorry, no burning in this section. And as you can see it says punishment will come from the Allah not by anything else. 104. O ye of Faith! Say not (to the Messenger. words of ambiguous import, but words of respect; and hearken (to him): To those without Faith is a grievous punishment.<< Proverbs 5:3-5 "3 for the lips of the imoral woman drip honey, and her mouth is smouther than oil: 4 but in the end she is bitter as wormwood, sharp as two edged sword. 5 Her feet go down to death her steps lay hold of Hell" >>The punishment is obviously hell. 114. And who is more unjust than he who forbids that in places for the worship of Allah, Allah.s name should be celebrated?-whose zeal is (in fact) to ruin them? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them except in fear. For them there is nothing but disgrace in this world, and in the world to come, an exceeding torment. By the way; "al" means "the" in English, and "ilah" means "God". "Al-Ilah" or "Allah" literally means "the God". 126. And remember Abraham said: "My Lord, make this a City of Peace, and feed its people with fruits,-such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day." He said: "(Yea), and such as reject Faith,-for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!" These section means, Allah will give pleasure to the ones who only seek pleasure but in afterlife will send them to hell. Obvious I guess. The other sections you quated upto 175 are again boring sections which describes hell. **** 190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. 191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. 192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if the

First of all...nuthin is being misquoted... Why dont you have a look at the source...let me hear it from you and Mex that you think the source is authentic or trusted:) and we'll take it from there... http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html I'll take every verse from 006 onwards and prove you the ambiguity and hate that the Koran incites... These are translations done by Muslim scholars who understood Arabic and English well! The previous list that I compiled was haphazardly compiled and uploaded. Now I'll critically analyse every verse and prove exactly what I've been saying all along.The Koran is full of verses(Surahs) that incite hate and terror. No man of peace can ever write such words let alone a revelation from God!

Mex-I am almost convinced that you're probably another Muslim pretending to be a Christian! Let me remind you that Mohammaed married a 6 year old girl whilst he was a mere 54 yrs old only. Also,his 6 year old bride,was his brother Abu fakr's daughter... A lot of Pakistanis I debated came up with figures such as 6,12,13,16 and 19 as her age when she got married. Also,some of them came up with traditions etc as an excuse...I can debate the same with you all over again. But,If you desire to debate me-Please back up everything that you say with prooof and URL's .Debate with no ambiguity. Because everytime I have debated with these Pakis they vanish agfter a couple opf posts once we start getting into logical arguments.. GZo and visit the Indian or the Paki board and you'll know what I'm talkin abt.. If you're gonna debate like them-then stay away and dont waste my time... You guys keep spelling quoting as quating! And u mirrored the mistake that Pars did...Is this a turkish thing or are you another Paki... The pretence seems obvious...

Let me hear your interpretation of these verses 002.006 YUSUFALI: As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. PICKTHAL: As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. SHAKIR: Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe. 002.007 YUSUFALI: Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). PICKTHAL: Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom. SHAKIR: Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

I prefer Abdullah Yusufali as his translation is generally accepted as a good one. Here is the link. http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/rel/islam/Quran.html In the 2.6 the Faith is used for believing in Allah. Allah means the God. In 2.6 and 2.7 it simply says those who do not believe in the God will goto Hell. The fact is Christians and Jews are also believing in the God. So in history many Islamic scholars argue that all those who believe in the God (followers of all 3 religions) will go to Heaven. I believe in a little more extended version of this (which was also favoured by some Islamic scholars). In this belief everyone who are good person will goto Heaven, as all religions who teaches us to be a good person comes from the God.

If you ever Read Revelations you will find that nonbelievers will suffer a horrible fait. In the story about Moses and the Exodus, god hardened the pharaoh's heart and in the Gospels, Jesus talked to many scholars or Pharisees and they did not believe God's son and lived in ignorance. So some will never believe and those who don't will suffer the fait described in Revelations. Those are the first things that came to my mind upon reading those verses. "002.006 YUSUFALI: As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. PICKTHAL: As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. SHAKIR: Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe." Luke 16:19-31 I'll quote verse 31 "But he said to hem ' If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, Nether will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead" You keep tilling them and they will never agree. so after a while you might as will stop tiring to convince them. "002.007 YUSUFALI: Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). PICKTHAL: Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom. SHAKIR: Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them." The Exodus The Pharaoh's heart was made hard, by God, so he would not heed his words or fear God and he obviously went to Hell. I heard about God sealing some peoples eyes so they cannot see the truth, but I don't remember were it is. I think that this means that GOD will punish the Nonbelievers not man. So we don't have to worry about punishing them. What do you think it means?