you ROCK!!! yes new government is religious.Even the PM said "i'm religious,but i can't be religious while i'm in the government his family is also religious i mean he sux he can't control country,he's pet of emperialists(discussing this would be boring) too many people hates him but our army is always ready to stop religious movements. secondary party CHP(followers of atatürk) is also aganist AKP(the religious one) but CHP is screwed too-they have their own problems

"kane and raptor: why is it crazy to talk about a military solution to a way of life and frame of mind that is a direct threat to world peace and security? this is a military discussion board is it not? " It's very simple Azmodius, it's because no one is willing to do that, and that's good. American's are not butchers, we do not just kill people intentionally to wipe an issue. If that were the case we'd have no crime in our own backyard. We will do what is needed if our time of extinction ever comes, but to this point there is absolutely no need to do that, at least to that extreme. Collatoral damage is one thing genocide is completely different. You may get your wish one day Azmodius, but be careful for what you ask for. And one other thing, you could never do it one country at a time. So get ready for a billion+ to come after you. And what a shame it would be to offend someone to the point where they once liked you, but now are threatened of extinction and culture so they too are now your enemy. I would expect this act from the Khmer Rouge or Communist countries or dictator of some sort, not a democratic society. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion, not that many will follow it. We have never needed brainwashing to help a country b4 we don't need it now.

What are you talking about? I clearly stated in the intial post asking about a non-genocidal way. I also mention using politically incorrect methods as well. the method i came up with is NOT genocidal. maybe you should look up the definition of genocide. My post asked for a hypothetical way of eliminating islam. this would require military might and this IS a military discussion board. I disagree with your statement it couldnt be done one country at a time. Whos worried about a "billion" coming at us? muslim countries have no force projection to speak of. are they going to load up on camels and charge? i think not. I wonder if there was someone like you in the past saying muslims will never be able to convert one country at a time. looks to me like they did a pretty good job of it. And your comment about brainwashing is misplaced as well. the problem is muslim children ARE brainwashed in the 1st place. in many places all the kids do is repeat over and over stupid surahs. THAT my friend is brainwashing and would require something almost similar to overcome it. by the way raptor, have you ever read the koran? im curious about that based on reading some of your other replies/posts. I dont think you can make a fair judgement about islam, how to handle it, etc without understand what islam is and how it works. Dont make the mistake of applying a western point of view in coming up with a solution for it

With stuff like the "Islamic" child murderers of Beslan, you can bet that part of the solution has to be military. How violent this military part will be depends among other things on: - The Muslims - The press - The extreme left enablers of terrorism - The backbone of govts. I have no problem whatsoever with eradicating scum like the Beslan terrorists. Killing the fundamentalist bastards will also give Muslims with a peacefull interpretation of the koran a chance to speak out without fear.

"by the way raptor, have you ever read the koran? im curious about that based on reading some of your other replies/posts. I dont think you can make a fair judgement about islam, how to handle it, etc without understand what islam is and how it works. Dont make the mistake of applying a western point of view in coming up with a solution for it" I have NOT read much of the Koran, a little when I met Muhammad Ali and he was selling his book. But I don't think I need to read the Koran to understand them entirely. You are aware that there are Muslims that aren't like Bin Laden right? OK, nuff bout that....I will take a quote here from you and disect it, from my Non-Understanding, under-read of the Koran view....and you tell me where I am wrong. I like this part, "i would send the troops into occupy the country and ruthlessly crush any opposition. Freedom fighters, protesters, etc." OK, please tell me how you're NOT going to be committing Genocide after you ruthlessly kill protesters, and Freedom fighters etc....you'll have the whole damn city on you before you can reload your 16....you think "the Mog" was bad.....please ruthlessly kill a people that see you as a ticket into Heaven. Religious Fanatacism is the same across all religions I don't need to read the Koran to understand that. Destroy the Holy sites and watch the same thing happen as above. I said The US doesn't Brainwash, we promote freedom of religeon. With what you're doing you'd be offending the millions that are already in the US. They don't need to "jump on camels" as you put it. They're already here. and this one could be the best of them all: Egypt is a good example Egypt is bought....given free elections the same result that happened in Palestine would happen there...The Egyptians know a good thing so they're playing it smart...hell if we gave all the Middle East countries as much as we give Egypt they'd all be like the Egyptians too....but don't kid yourself that there isn't a wave of anti-americanism and hatred breeding there. You have taken a few things that is at the core of US values and tried to squash it just b/c it's not in the US 1) Freedom of Religion 2) Freedom of Speech That is why I express the views I do

Let me just add one other thing, in your defense Azmodius. There was a people that fought for their god that were defeated and definitely changed their ways....but look what it took to get them to do that. That is what would need to be done, I don't see it happening first b/c we're not at an all out war and secondly b/c the world wouldn't accept it, that includes American's and others.... that country would be Japan. and their god was their Emperor

"You are aware that there are Muslims that aren't like Bin Laden right?" Yes im aware. but imo the vast majority ARE like Bin Laden weather they act or not. most are complacent to allow the "radicals" as you and others call them, to do what they want. "OK, please tell me how you're NOT going to be committing Genocide after you ruthlessly kill protesters, and Freedom fighters etc....you'll have the whole damn city on you before you can reload your 16....you think "the Mog" was bad.....please ruthlessly kill a people that see you as a ticket into Heaven. Religious Fanatacism is the same across all religions I don't need to read the Koran to understand that. Destroy the Holy sites and watch the same thing happen as above." genocide is defined as the systematic killing of a racial or cultural group. To invade a muslim country and kill anyone who tries to stop or stand in the way of the invasion and/or occupation is not genocide. Intent goes a long way as well. I think you put more stock in the people of said invaded country than i do. saddam ruthlessly suppressed the es for decades. murdered them by the 1000's and they KNEW it. Yet did they revolt or swarm down on the minority sunnis? NO they didnt. so much for not being afraid to die for the cause eh? A soon as the people see the invasion force isnt playing or putting up with the type of crap currently going on in Iraq, they will stfu and do what they are told. And as far as what happened in Mogadishu, you really think THAT was bad? If i remember, 21 Soldiers died but per the red cross estimate, over 1000 somalis were killed. i can live with those numbers from a military perspective. "and this one could be the best of them all: Egypt is a good example" yes it is. its an example of a country that was NOT muslim and now is muslim after hundreds of years. it used to be christian until muslim armies invaded in 639 with the express purpose of spreading islam per order of caliph Umar. "You have taken a few things that is at the core of US values and tried to squash it just b/c it's not in the US 1) Freedom of Religion 2) Freedom of Speech" Again, I did say non-politically correct in the initial post didnt i? eventually whne the disease of islam is gotten rid of, the invaded hypothetical country we are talking about will "normal" and left to its own devices.

I forgot to address the core values of the US you noted. free speech and religion. Lets just clarify that the founders of the US did NOT have any other religion in mind other than protestant faith when they wanted free religion. I would bet money they would all be in shock if they knew what this country has spiraled into. Also, please pardon all my spelling mistakes and missing letters when you run accross them heh heh

NEWPORT, R.I. - In most of Colonial-era New England, it would have been about as hard to find a Jewish family as a grove of palm trees. But when George Washington visited Newport, R.I., in August 1790, the president found not just one Jewish family, but a Hebrew congregation with its own synagogue. They offered him a warm welcome to their community through a letter written by the leader of their congregation, Moses Sexias. Four days later, Washington penned a cordial response, assuring them they could enjoy full citizenship in the new United States of America - welcome news to a community whose ancestors had been expelled from the Iberian Peninsula during the Spanish Inquisition. Today, Jews still worship at the Touro Synagogue in Newport, and every August they - along with other supporters of religious freedom - file into the 18th-century Georgian building to read Washington's letter and to reflect on his words once again. "It is now no more that toleration is spoken of," Washington wrote, "as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights." He also declared that the government gave "to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance." After centuries of persecution in Europe, Jews welcomed Washington's message of equality, which set the stage for the US to become home to the largest, most prosperous Jewish community in the world. Washington's outreach to Jews was revolutionary, notes David Logan, dean of Roger Williams University's law school. America's Founding Fathers were unique in the world when they wrote freedom of religion into the laws of the new country, he says. "It's that pluralism and heterogeneity that make [America] a remarkable place."

The founders may be Shocked of blacks walking around in the same schools and in the same stores. They will be shocked that there is a thing as Illegal Aliens. They will be shocked about American Imperialism. They will be Shocked at just about everything. Some may be happy. >"Yes im aware. but imo the vast majority ARE like Bin Laden "< Please show my a survey or some data to prove it. >“yes it is. its an example of a country that was NOT muslim and now is muslim after hundreds of years. it used to be christian until muslim armies invaded in 639 with the express purpose of spreading islam per order of caliph Umar.”< The Americas weren’t Christian, till the “Catholics invaded“. If you are an American, Shame on you. Did you know that many of my Friends’ Grandparents died and suffered fighting Ideas like yours? Feel free to keep posting your opinions till your convinced, if you are ever convinced. After all, They did die for Freedom. How to stop radical Islam: 1. Continue efforts to solve the Palestine problem by making both sides compromise in any way necessary. This will end part of the Radical’s “Fuel”. 2. Push Nations like Jordan, UAE, and so on, to fight against Radicalism, openly. Allowing More Muslim allies well discredit the Radicals’ actions once they fight back. Further Help Iraq in every manner and strike deals for the Government’s support and for pro western Camping’s. 3. Increase Operations in the Middle East to Fight back against Terrorists and use the victimized Muslims to trial them, like Iraq and Saddom, who I seriously doubt even believes in(a)God. 4. Rally More International Support by actually listening to other countries. These are my opinions and are totally open for debate. This will take a while, but it is a more “Humane” way.