"3. Jesus's life is just a myth. We do not have any historical data about his life." Actually many historians and archeologists agree that Jesus did exist, though they don't really support the Bible win it comes to miracles.

Simply because Hz. Jesus also brought the God's word to the man. You can see the names "Jesus" and "Mariam" given to newborn in every Muslim country. According to Islam, "Hz. Jesus did not die. The God have saved him. He will come back just before the Apocalypse as a prophet to save our souls."

"Jesus did not die. God have saved him. He will come back just before the Apocalypse as a prophet to save our souls."" Then it's agreed....drop the Muhammed stuff and we're all as one....world peace is here.....w00t. =)

Im getting tired of you. You have no sense of context and fail time and time again to address counter points. i would have responded sooner but i was on vacation. let me break this ridiculous and large post down. 1. in typical muslim fashion you have completey dodged the topic of this post. time and time again muslims or muslim supporters completely avoid the facts presented that show islam as the vile, intolerant religion it is. instead you go to the "but what about chrisitanity!...." defense. Were not talking about christianity so leave it out of this. 2. im not christian and dont believe in any invisible supreme beings sitting on clouds judging everything we do and threatening eternal torture if we fail. 3. Do you understand the difference between the OLD testament and the NEW testament. you are posting stuff from the OLD testament. Christians follow the NEW testament. the idea is that when christ came around and died for mankinds sins, it was a NEW covenant with god. in with the new and out with the old. there were NO christians until the time of christ. so now what? you want to start a thread on christianity then do so but dont try to smoke screen the issue of islam being a plague upon mankind.

"1. in typical muslim fashion you have completey dodged the topic of this post. time and time again muslims or muslim supporters completely avoid the facts presented that show islam as the vile, intolerant religion it is. instead you go to the "but what about chrisitanity!...." defense. Were not talking about christianity so leave it out of this." Muslim fashion? Well, I was not the one who started to compare Christianity to Islam, I never said that Islam is tolerant and peaceful religion, I said that it has the potential to become such. Christianity has grown from intolerant blood thirsty ritual cannibalistic cult to a relatively tolerant and adaptive entity that is capable of dealing with the reality. There is no reason to believe why such would be impossible for Islam to achieve. But then someone said that how Christianity is sooo different and I said that no, it is not, it has all the goods and bads, it is how they are used... and so on. You should know the rest. And I showed some of them, and some were taken from the NT. I can dig you something more from NT that shows that I am right.. "3. Do you understand the difference between the OLD testament and the NEW testament." I completely know that its the Christian fashion to heed the NT like they want to and then copy paste something from the OT, those parts that just happen to suit the needs in that moment... Why on Earth they include OT to Bible if it´s irrelevant? There are many things that are taken from OT, and many things that are not... and those are things that have changed during the centuries, among other things. "you are posting stuff from the OLD testament. Christians follow the NEW testament. the idea is that when christ came around and died for mankinds sins, it was a NEW covenant with god." But they still keep some parts of the OT... the new covenant did not replace the old, it refined and refurbished it. It is said in the bible by the way. "in with the new and out with the old. there were NO christians until the time of christ. so now what? you want to start a thread on christianity then do so but dont try to smoke screen the issue of islam being a plague upon mankind" Obviously you havent quite understood what I have written, I won´t keep on retelling the same thing over and over again. Check them and think.

"Well, I was not the one who started to compare Christianity to Islam," So since you didnt start the comparisons then its ok to post your own while avoiding the actual topic? Do you think that any of the crap that has happened in christianity's past somehow absolves islam of all of its sins? "There are many things that are taken from OT, and many things that are not... and those are things that have changed during the centuries, among other things" Ive said it before, im not a bible scholar but i think you are way wrong based on what little i do know. the bible hasnt changed over the centuries. its the SAME old testament and the SAME new testament that they have always been. There may be some arguements about "extra" books or gospels that werent included but thats different than saying things have changed over the centuries though... "But they still keep some parts of the OT... the new covenant did not replace the old, it refined and refurbished it. It is said in the bible by the way" You just made my arguement. it DID refine and refurbish the old way of thinking. it didnt actually change the old testament though. "Obviously you havent quite understood what I have written, I won´t keep on retelling the same thing over and over again. Check them and think" I dont think you understand what your writing either. That makes 2 of us. Your posting about christianity but out of context. As frustrating as it is for me to try to debate you on this stuff id like to say that at least i have never resorted to name-calling or trying to belittle you or the other muslims/supporters even though others here have. i just think islam is a jacked up and intolerant, evil religion is all. no matter what may be wrong with christianity, it doesnt change anything about islam

"So since you didnt start the comparisons then its ok to post your own while avoiding the actual topic? Do you think that any of the crap that has happened in christianity's past somehow absolves islam of all of its sins?" Krhm. Please think a bit.Are you really saying that I am not allowed to comment about some praise-Christianity/hate-Islam stuff if I don´t take clear stance in thread´s topic "military solution to islam"? Well; if it´s so: There is no military solution. Satisfied? Islam is not a military problem. "Ive said it before, im not a bible scholar but i think you are way wrong based on what little i do know. the bible hasnt changed over the centuries." You have talked about Christianity and once denied that Christianity changed... http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/93-6089.asp And how the stability of Bible relates to Islam? Quran has changed, thats sure - but I would only say that it confirms Islams potential to develop... They can change their book, Christians ignore their book... Which one is better? I don´t know nor care, the results are counted. ." There may be some arguements about "extra" books or gospels that werent included but thats different than saying things have changed over the centuries though..." Those x-tra books are really interesting stuff. One of the reasons why I like Jesus. "You just made my arguement. it DID refine and refurbish the old way of thinking. it didnt actually change the old testament though." So the OT is still there: it is still used when found suitable... But the Christianity has developed beyond OT´s blood thirstyness even though once those blood thirsty chapters were used when excusing some heinous crimes. "I dont think you understand what your writing either. That makes 2 of us. Your posting about christianity but out of context. As frustrating as it is for me to try to debate you on this stuff id like to say that at least i have never resorted to name-calling or trying to belittle you or the other muslims/supporters even though others here have. " You label me as a muslim supporter very easily... But I admit my mistake, and I have already apologized. One of your posts, one that was first of yours I read, it caused my anti-nazi-alarm to turn red. It was not a good day either, and I am sorry for being such a fool. Being lame is not my business and I cross the border of politeness every now and then. I don´t really have any intention to throw crap on people like you, I owe you a beer if our paths happen to cross some day. "i just think islam is a jacked up and intolerant, evil religion is all. no matter what may be wrong with christianity, it doesnt change anything about islam" My conclusion after checking some stuff from the previous posts: the problem we have here is that our argumentations dont quite meet - you seem to think that my anti-christian comments are more pro-islam than they are: the only thing I have tried to say is that Islam has the potential to develop into peaceful entity, and when some pro-Christian person said something dumb about it, I just said that Christianity has all those nasty things too that in some other scenario could produce similar things we now condemn in Islamic world. And then we ended up in this sparring.