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Subject: Military Solution to Islam
Azmodius    2/22/2006 5:36:26 PM
Since this is a military discussion board, ive been wondering how military might could be used to bring islam down. Its my opinion that you cant moderate islam so the only solution would be to destroy it through a combination of military and non-military methods. Hypothetically, whats the best way to do this? Or is the alternative better? just let things continue the way they are until one day a nuke goes off in israel and they retaliate and before you know it, millions dead. At least if millions have to die, let it be millions of the enemy. what non politically correct and non genocidal method could do this?
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kane    RE:Military Solution to Islam   2/23/2006 9:22:26 AM
OMFG this is crazy!!!
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RaptorZ    RE:Military Solution to Islam   2/23/2006 10:33:40 AM
Sigh unfortunately Kane this is what is going to be heard more and more if things are not brought to a head soon. See, I don’t agree with the wiping of anyone or religion etc. just to do it. However, you’re seeing some of the frustration starting to show up. The win the hearts and minds is not really working, albeit a short time frame, but many in today’s world are about the now. I can’t stress enough how much it could change things if more moderates stood up and denounced terrorism and the effects. Look at Iraq, one of the holiest shrines was destroyed. Not by the US, but by the radicals. And instead of blaming the right people we get this Sadr running round with his band of thugs going house to house attacking the Sunnis b/c it HAS to be their fault. And more importantly, now the US is catching the blame for this. Give me a break, the US did everything possible to avoid the destruction of these b/c we understand the importance of and respect these sites. Yet in a heartbeat a terror thug group Zwahiri (most likely) can take it out with no repercussions….it must be the US and Sunni’s fault….BS It’s the Insurgents and Al Qaeda….not the avg Sunni. With this illogical thinking, one can only come to the conclusion that they’ll never understand it. But the current gov’t is trying to keep people at bay WHICH IS GREAT! However, they never follow through. The militia’s have to go. Terrorism needs to be ratted out. More people in positions of importance have to start getting out in the open risking their lives for the name of Islam and change this trend. Or you will see more and more of these posts. and you're right it is crazy....
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Military Solution to Islam   2/24/2006 1:07:36 AM
This is the only possible way to fight Islam... I had a thread where I challenged anyone to prove me wrong tht Moderate Islam was a sham..And I stand by it.. When a religion such as Islam doesnt encourae any free thinking and ingenuity this was bound to happen... Civilised people are losing their patience fast! Here's another solution: Muslims stay in their own lands and others in their own... As an Indian that means hoping some day all Muslims will be exported en masse to pakistan and Arabia or Turkey...Anywhere but out of India..... Otherwise these Islamic bastards will shred to bits the reputation we Indians have built...
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Decimatus    RE:Military Solution to Islam   2/24/2006 1:51:41 AM
The only way to bring an end to Islam would be nuclear weapons. But that would be crazy and it will never happen. This is a problem we have to face for the forseeable future. Our best bet is to bring all these despot countries into the 21st century. Perhaps they will wake up. Or perhaps we will just waste our time and money in the attempt.
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Military Solution to Islam   2/24/2006 2:48:37 AM
Waste of Time/Money/Effort! How do u start with a country like SAudi ARaboia which practices the purest form of Islam.Their traditions date back to the 7th century with zero tolerance for other religions... I like what the Americans ae doing in Iraq.... The Shias are butchering the Sunnis and vice-versa... There is a clear problem with Islam...Islam doesnt deserve any place in a civilised world...When people revere a mad man as Mohammad anythin is possible...
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kane    RE:Military Solution to Islam   2/24/2006 9:28:59 AM
discussing islam makes me sick.Do we revolt and butcher others-NO does the muslims in US butchers eveyone-no using nukes would make all the muslims crazy and every muslim would kill anyone on his way-this would be a real chaos i think there's nothing you can do about the terrorists in middle east ;)
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:Military Solution to Islam   2/24/2006 9:55:03 AM
"discussing islam makes me sick." me too! "Do we revolt and butcher others-NO" yes, you doooooooo! "does the muslims in US butchers eveyone-no" Not everyone...only about 3000. I suppose they weren't butchered, either. They were burned alive and crushed to death. There's no " military solution to Islam". It needs it's own reformation. We can however, kill everybody in any given area for security purposes. Like the Commies, we will eventually drag the Muslims, kicking and screaming, out of the past and into the present day.
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kane    RE:Military Solution to Islam   2/24/2006 10:35:42 AM
we do not butcher any one Turks are not exterimist but they are nationalist there were some little protest and thats it protesting is their right though ;)
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RaptorZ    RE:Military Solution to Islam   2/24/2006 10:56:49 AM
I'm afraid in these discussions Kane you take comments personally against Turkey, which in a way is good b/c I can tell you’re vehemently against radicalism. This is good b/c we need those who are against to remain against it. But more times than not you can pretty much sum up the bad areas like this, Pakistan (especially in the uncontrolled Peshawar area) Iran’s radical’s (not the individual per se but more the gov’t and imams) Iraq (Sadr Though he is under control of Sistani to a point; and the Zarqawi insurgents) Palestine, Lebanon’s Syrian controlled communities and those remaining remnants of the Taliban in Afghanistan. But let’s look at this, we have areas in the M.E. that are relatively moderate in my opinion and I wish they’d stand up even more. Kuwait and Jordan especially. Then there’s second tier countries like Morocco and UAE, that being officially against terror but have elements that definitely are involved in it on a global scale. Notice I didn’t mention Turkey in those that are radical or the positive and second tier countries. That’s b/c even though Turkey definitely has it’s elements it’s not what I’d consider a supporter of terrorism and at this point not over the top with radicalism but more importantly I personally see them as separate from this whole mess. Though the elections you had recently (and you can correct me if I am wrong) was more of what we could call a theocratic government. These are just my personal views obviously and are up for debate.
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Azmodius    RE:Military Solution to Islam   2/24/2006 11:07:10 AM
kane and raptor: why is it crazy to talk about a military solution to a way of life and frame of mind that is a direct threat to world peace and security? this is a military discussion board is it not? My idea for stopping islam would be a long process but worth it in the long run. i would select a muslim country and immediately blockade all ports and kill anything in the air. stop the movement of material and people via those routes. then i would start a bombing campaign to destroy any identified islamic shrines, holy sites, etc. after that i would send the troops into occupy the country and ruthlessly crush any opposition. Freedom fighters, protesters, etc. once this is done then the real work begins. the key is the women and children. schools will need to be set up/opened with a curiculum of at least western standards. there will also be a reverse brainwashing process to counter all the time the kids spend mumbling and repeating senseless surahs. eventually you will achieve a decline of islam with no organized place to worship and the next generation growing up with no loyalty to this cult. Anyone who says this cant work, how do you think islam spread in the 1st place? Egypt is a good example. Trustedsource, i have a question for you. I have read that the hindu kush mountain range in afghanistan/pakistan is so named because a 1000 years ago a bunch of muslim rulers got together an decided to kill like a million hindus in honor of allah or whoever. is this true? now a long time later there are no hindus there.
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