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Subject: The Change is Beginning Christianity vs Islam
RaptorZ    2/23/2006 3:28:18 PM
I have harped on this subject for several posts being called everything from basically an idiot to an outright racist. Moderate Muslims must speak out and take control before something worse happens. When the Vatican becomes more vocal for protection of Christianity and such, those who value Islam best pay attention. I am not Catholic but know, from history, if the church gets involved at these high levels things are not going to turn for the better unless some middle ground can be found. Believe it or not Christians can be just as fanatical as the radical muslims. Let's not go down that path. ----------------------------------------------- Vatican to Muslims: practice what you preach Email this Story Feb 23, 12:54 PM (ET) By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor PARIS (Reuters) - After backing calls by Muslims for respect for their religion in the Mohammad cartoons row, the Vatican is now urging Islamic countries to reciprocate by showing more tolerance toward their Christian minorities. Roman Catholic leaders at first said Muslims were right to be outraged when Western newspapers reprinted Danish caricatures of the Prophet, including one with a bomb in his turban. Most Muslims consider any images of Mohammad to be blasphemous. After criticizing both the cartoons and the violent protests in Muslim countries that followed, the Vatican this week linked the issue to its long-standing concern that the rights of other faiths are limited, sometimes severely, in Muslim countries. Vatican prelates have been concerned by recent killings of two Catholic priests in Turkey and Nigeria. Turkish media linked the death there to the cartoons row. At least 146 Christians and Muslims have died in five days of religious riots in Nigeria. "If we tell our people they have no right to offend, we have to tell the others they have no right to destroy us," Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's Secretary of State (prime minister), told journalists in Rome. "We must always stress our demand for reciprocity in political contacts with authorities in Islamic countries and, even more, in cultural contacts," Foreign Minister Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo told the daily Corriere della Sera. Reciprocity -- allowing Christian minorities the same rights as Muslims generally have in Western countries, such as building houses of worship or practicing religion freely -- is at the heart of Vatican diplomacy toward Muslim states. Vatican diplomats argue that limits on Christians in some Islamic countries are far harsher than restrictions in the West that Muslims decry, such as France's ban on headscarves in state schools. Saudi Arabia bans all public expression of any non-Muslim religion and sometimes arrests Christians even for worshipping privately. Pakistan allows churches to operate but its Islamic laws effectively deprive Christians of many rights. Both countries are often criticized at the United Nations Human Rights Commission for violating religious freedoms. "ENOUGH TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK" Pope Benedict signaled his concern on Monday when he told the new Moroccan ambassador to the Vatican that peace can only be assured by "respect for the religious convictions and practices of others, in a reciprocal way in all societies." He mentioned no countries by name. Morocco is tolerant of other religions, but like all Muslim countries frowns on conversion from Islam to another faith. Iraqi Christians say they were well treated under Saddam Hussein's secular policies, but believers have been killed, churches burned and women forced to wear Muslim garb since Islamic groups gained sway after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. Christians make up only a tiny fraction of the population in most Muslim countries. War and political pressure in recent decades have forced many to emigrate from Middle Eastern communities dating back to just after the time of Jesus. As often happens at the Vatican, lower-level officials have been more outspoken than the Pope and his main aides. "Enough now with this turning the other cheek! It's our duty to protect ourselves," Monsignor Velasio De Paolis, secretary of the Vatican's supreme court, thundered in the daily La Stampa. Jesus told his followers to "turn the other cheek" when struck. "The West has had relations with the Arab countries for half a century, mostly for oil, and has not been able to get the slightest concession on human rights," he said. Bishop Rino Fisichella, head of one of the Roman universities that train young priests from around the world, told Corriere della Sera the Vatican should speak out more. "Let's drop this diplomatic silence," said the rector of the Pontifical Lateran University. "We should put pressure on international organizations to make the societies and states in majority Muslim countries face up to their responsibilities."
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:The Change is Beginning Christianity vs Islam   2/24/2006 1:17:31 AM
I am a Indian Hindu living in America... I have seen Muslims in India and in America... I see Muslims kids as little as 7 yrs old who take off during CHristmas and Halloween since its not permissible in their religion.... I truly think its an outrageous statement when you compare Christians as being fanatical compared to Muslims... i dont see Christians hijacking planes and blowing up mecca and Median...somethin g that symbolises islam.... I still see Americans being nice to these Arabic bastards inspite of all they've done Look at RSA and other Muslim countries-its impossible to survive as a minority without being pseudo Islamist....Ridiculous.... First off---RSA shud abandon their Shariat....and then we take it from there:)
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Pars    RE:The Change is Beginning Christianity vs Islam   2/24/2006 7:09:27 PM
Saudia Arabia is an exception even in Arabic countries. They follow Wahhabism which is the most radical of all Islam sects. You can not even open a mosque from a different Islam sect there. Total lack of tolerance. I personally support any diplomatic pressure over to Saudia Arabia to change their ridiculas laws. But I do not believe anything will change there. I must say that Saudia Arabia is very close to a civil war than most notice. More radical elements including clergy find the royal dynasty too unislamic (royal family being too rich and not sharing their fortunes with poor).
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:The Change is Beginning Christianity vs Islam   2/25/2006 1:42:28 AM
Well,we agree to something at last:) But having said that; "Saudia Arabia is an exception even in Arabic countries. They follow Wahhabism which is the most radical of all Islam sects. " --->All sects of Islam are radical....There is no SUCH thing as moderate ISlam...Period.Even a peaceful protest of women aginst these cartoons demands the death of the cartoonists.... BTW-what is your take on the cartoonists.. DEath to them or ???????
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Pars    RE:trustedsourceofinfo   2/27/2006 8:25:46 PM
As I said before. I like few of them, I do not like the others. But a cartoonist, a writer, a poet must write whatever he pleases to write. If you do not like it, do not buy it. Or write something yourself, explaining your opinion about the subject. These protest are just nonsense.
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Pars   3/1/2006 12:41:12 AM
""These protest are just nonsense."" -->So why dont we have a protest in a Muslim country that comes out in support of free press even though it might be considered blasphemous... Or just a protest urging Muslims to give up this violence.. Anything,something?!?!?!? Even these fukking Indian Muslims have gotten into the act of putting up $12Million for the cartoonists head...I wish somebody wud chop off that bastrd's head first... can you imagine if Muslims were in majority in India? I will have to agree with you Pars-we need to systematically export Muslims from India to Turkey or any other hell hole..They do not deserve in place in India... If they wanna stay in India-then they need to behave and act like Indians... If you're gonna throw fatwas around like a baseball then they can shove the Koran up the a$$...This kind of religious crap is not welcome in India....
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kane    RE:WTF   3/1/2006 7:20:23 AM
WHy are you sending whole uneducated muslims to Turkey.Our country has problrms abt jobs and you're sending more lol it is a stupid idea. it's hard to find jobs in Turkey even universty graduated people has problems.
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Mex101    RE:WTF   3/1/2006 4:42:21 PM
Send thim to the USA Give us your poor...ect. How do you think the US got to be a Powerfull nation? Power to the Poor!
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Azmodius    RE:WTF   3/1/2006 6:19:36 PM
The US got to be a powerful nation due to not having a large influx of socially degenerate, mindless, islamic nutcases. Im sure if muslims founded america 1st it would be a crap hole of the 1st degree right now. id bet money the country if founded by muslims would be locked in constant violence and war and would be no better off than current muslim countries. my opinion anyway
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Mex101   3/2/2006 2:11:40 AM
""How do you think the US got to be a Powerfull nation? Power to the Poor!"" -->I hope u never end up as a macro economist ever? Get some education dude....
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:AZM   3/2/2006 2:17:59 AM
"" id bet money the country if founded by muslims would be locked in constant violence and war and would be no better off than current muslim countries. my opinion anyway"" -->Your opinion is indeed shared by all civilised people.. I cant imagine India being a Muslim majority nation...WEll then it wud be called pakistan..I guess... 100,000 BASTARDS MOSLEMS in India are protesting Bush's visit to India....chanting death to Bush etc.. And this is at a time when India and America will sign a LANDMARK agreement for a civilian nucleur deal.. See,these Islamic bastards dont really care abt India or anything that cud help Indians... All Indians at my workplace were so fukking sick of seeing those pics of Moslems in ndia burning effigies of Bush etc... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU MOSLEMS..Does fukking religion mean everything in life.. To hell with Islam and anything ISlamic... Somebody please accept these Moslems into Mecca or Medina...But we dont need these Moslems in India...Our country will be so much better... Hopefully then you'll see lesser people sleeping on the streets:)
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