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Subject: Laden described himself as prophet
trustedsourceofinfo    3/5/2006 9:04:54 PM
Tell me whats the difference... let me quote.. "He delivered (preached) the Quran, and said he was a prophet," Paracha said. "He said very nice things, very impressive." http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1438784,curpg-1.cms
 
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Scratchie    RE:everyone   5/19/2006 8:35:32 AM
Look everyone. What we learn in Turkey about Islam is not about killing innocent people or blowing ourselves up in front of nonmuslims. We learn about how to be a good individual to the society. I learned all that and all the other Turks who are mostly muslims did learn the same. I mean you come here and talk and you have no info about what we learn in school as muslims? I went to High School both in Turkey and the US, but believe me the general idea of educating students is the same. I know you still won't believe me and I don't know how I can ever accomplish that, but as educated people (except USSMC), you should at least learn not to generalize ethnic groups. Yes, I get offended, because what you are saying or claiming is not true. If I did not get offended, that would be abnormal. OBL is nowhere near being a prophet. He violated and has been violating the most crucial rules of Islam and his followers. USSMC is calling me a terrorist and f*** in the head, but if he really knew me just like my other American friends, he would suck up what he spitted. All I am asking for nicely is please Do not generalize! If you want to say something to OBL then personalize it to him. Do not curse all the muslims and him. Do not put me and other muslims in the same sentence. Just a request. "Osama bin Laden should have been hanging in some well photographed mosque somewhere." Yes that should happen. But where's he? Do you know where he is? Does the US know?
 
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YidFunDorum    RE:everyone   5/19/2006 9:27:33 AM
I think the point that is being made is that, if OBL truly was not doing as Islam teaches, then he and his fellow terrorists, who are obviously hiding among their fellow Muslims, would be hanging by their feet in the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Why hasn't this happened? More generally, why has this not happened to ANY of the muslim terrorists (in Darfur, Chechnya, Indonesia, etc.) anywhere in the world? The obvious only answer is that their activities are clearly supported and abetted by their fellow Muslims. After all, if Timothy McVeigh was a 'christian' Terrorist (and he wasn't), then Christianity and the West are very much one-up on the Billions of Muslims who refuse to act to rid their societies of the same 'scourge'. Or perhaps they're not...
 
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Scratchie    RE:everyone   5/19/2006 10:47:28 AM
here you got a point, but my belief is that OBL brainwashed his followers using islam. You can oppose this since we have no idea what exactly happened to them. My point is what can other muslims do to him othern than al-qaide members when even the US dont know where he is.
 
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Thomas3    RE:everyone   5/19/2006 10:24:36 PM
It is not unknown to brainwash people with religion.
 
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Scratchie    RE:USSMC   5/20/2006 10:42:39 AM
Your opinions are biased.
 
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Scratchie    RE:Thomas3   5/20/2006 10:45:26 AM
Hmmm... I don't think so. People are so vulnerable when it comes to religion. A false info given to uneducated people and who don't know their religion well might cause severe consequences. You don't have to agree. This is just my opinion.
 
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Scratchie    RE:USSMC   5/22/2006 2:47:09 PM
Everything you say is biased. That won't change my opinion towards you.
 
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Azmodius    RE:Scratchie   5/22/2006 4:17:08 PM
No matter what you say about Islam and your perception of it, nothing changes about the religion itself. Sure, you may be a nice guy and you may be taught to be good to others, etc but that isnt islam. I had a similar debate with kane a while back and after he researched islam, he said he wasnt going to be muslim. All you have to do is look at how Muhammed lived. He is the example per the quran that muslims are supposed to follow. allow me to illustrate: Ishaq:595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.”” Ishaq:312 “Umar said to the Apostle, ‘Let me pull out Suhayl’s two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.’” Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.” Tabari VII:133 Ishaq:387 “When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!’ When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.” Tabari VIII:96 “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.” Bukhari:V4B52N270 “Allah’s Messenger said, ‘Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.’ Maslama got up saying, ‘Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet proclaimed, ‘Yes.’ Maslama said, ‘Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.’ Muhammad said, ‘You may do so.’” Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’” Ishaq: 676 “‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’” I could go on and on about how Muhammed lived. Most of the muslims out there dont even know their own religion and you seem to be one of them. Nothing i have posted is "biased" as it comes straight from islams own holy texts. muhammed was a murdering, torturous pirate. try to argue any of it isnt true. i dare you.
 
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kane    RE:azmodious   5/22/2006 5:53:22 PM
i'm an atheist now.I realized that there are many psycho things in islam as in other religions too.Now i'm kind of atheist and very curious about the life after death if there is something. In Turkey they do not teach us psychopatic things.Except these last days Turkey do not have problems with religion. ;)
 
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Scratchie    RE:Azmodius   5/22/2006 5:56:08 PM
Well... I know my religion better than you do and I am not gonna argue with you over this, because I know nothing will change your or others' minds. Time will show what is right and what is wrong.
 
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