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Subject: I'd rather fight than switch
sofa    12/30/2007 1:46:28 AM
So Iraq is getting under control … now where were we? The “Global War on Terror”. Let’s get about undoing the Islamofacist capability to destroy western peoples and economies. Taliban, AQ, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Hizbollah, Hamas, Pakistan, and yes – the House of Saud. Victory is not “30 days reduced deaths in Iraq”. Victory is Christian Cathedrals and Jewish Temples in Mecca and Medina. Until then we are just kidding ourselves. Do not tolerate intolerance and hatred and barbarism. Choose to confront it. Intolerance and barbarism are hallmarks of the islamofacists, making multicultural tolerance a key indicator that the threat is no longer imminent. This approach requires use of force, but the US had made it work numerous times: No one thought the KKK could be rooted out – But it was through use of force. Now blacks can go to university, be Mayor and attend Mosque in Atlanta, Georgia. No one thought it would be easy to root out the Nazis – But it was through use of force and loss of 10s of millions of lives across several continents. Now Jewish Temples and Mosques and Churches are all over Germany. No one relished the thought of rooting out the Empire of the Rising Sun – But it was through use of force through a brutal and shocking war of attrition. Now Japan is a thriving industrialized nation, arming to defend itself and it’s allies. Different tribes live together in the west. Accept when one wants to kill the others. Do not tolerate intolerance. 9/11 made it plain that Islamofacists cannot be ignored. They pose a clear and imminent danger. No one relishes the thought of rooting out islamofacism. But it must be done. And the use of force is the only way to change the facts on the ground. Taliban, AQ, Afghanistan, Iraq was just the prepatory phase. Iran (Lebanon, Syria), Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia are the heart of the islamofacist problem. --Iran trains, finances and arms terrorists, and proxy armies worldwide, providing operational control over numerous ‘bad actors’. --Pakistan is home of AQ and an entire society of wackos. And they have nukes. If preventing another 9/11 is why we have been fighting, then we need to get on with Iran and Pakistan, as soon as possible. They were the worst terrorist supporting nation states before 9/11, and we have not really addressed the threat they represent to the world in general, and to the US in particular. I have a feeling similar to watching Clinton sending a few cruise missiles in response to attacks: What the F are we doing?! Consider Paki nukes and listen to their population. Consider Iran nukes and listen to their leaders. When a nuke goes off in New York, do we obliterate the populations of both countries within 12 minutes? Or do nothing at all but blame ourselves for having let it get to that? Let’s not stick our head in the sand, again. These are two clear and imminent threats. --Saudi Arabia is the financier to much islamofacism, and cultural center for the entire cult. Until the populace accepts Cathedrals and Temples throughout Pakistan, Persia, Mecca, and Medina; we have not succeeded. Japan and Germany populations were finally exhausted, so they accepted in their hearts that their culture was defeated. Education, open media, revolution from within; all will take a few generations to remove the imminent threat. In the meantime, we must root out the islamofacists and those who support them. If other muslims help, then they can be a part of the solution, and be great allies. If the support islamofacists by hindering our attack on them, then they chose to be part of the problem. Exhaustion of their populations is the only sure way to change the facts on the ground. The facists never entirely go away: Look at the residual KKK in the south, or Ultras and Nazis in Europe. But they are marginalized, and prosecuted vigorously when they get violent. In summary: -Iran and Pakistan are two clear and imminent threats. We must ENSURE we secure the threat. -The threat of Islamofacism is not truly reduced until Christian Cathedrals and Jewish Temples are accepted in Mecca, Medina, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, etc “I’d rather fight then switch.”
 
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sofa       12/30/2007 2:01:06 AM
WWII analogy: We're in North Africa, had a Midway. But when do we land in France? Take Berlin, or Tokyo?
 
We set the stage, checked the initial enemy assault, but now need to set to work on their vital points (nuclear events and regional destabilzation in this case), and then push on through France and Holland, to Berlin, errr through Iran and Pakistan, to Saudi Arabia.
 
Checking the inital assault is not victory.
The threat still exists and is more imminenet than it was 9/11.
Victory is puting an end to it.
 
 
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jastayme3       9/17/2008 1:29:40 AM

WWII analogy: We're in North Africa, had a Midway. But when do we land in France? Take Berlin, or Tokyo?

 

We set the stage, checked the initial enemy assault, but now need to set to work on their vital points (nuclear events and regional destabilzation in this case), and then push on through France and Holland, to Berlin, errr through Iran and Pakistan, to Saudi Arabia.

 

Checking the inital assault is not victory.

The threat still exists and is more imminenet than it was 9/11.

Victory is puting an end to it.

 

Don't use the WWII analogy to much. It gives the terrorists more credit then they are due, and could be interpreted that you are advocating a total war footing which isn't justified by the enemy. The Barbary Pirates or the Thugee are a better example.

 
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CJH     The Principle of Reciprocity   11/14/2008 11:23:40 PM
That's what our response should be to Muslims in the West who make demands in the name of tolerance.  When the Muslims in the West show they are willing to petition the governments of ME Muslim countries to allow Christian seminaries and yeshivas within their borders then we will know that they really believe in tolerance.
 
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