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April 28, 2008: Six months ago, the Department of Defense was on the verge of cancelling the $6 billion JASSM cruise missile program. Lobbying, pleading and a possible large order from South Korea, have given the program one more chance, even though nearly fifty percent of flight tests have been failures.

 

JASSM is the third family of GPS guided smart bombs to be developed. The original JDAM bomb kit (added to 500, 1,000 and 2,000 pound bombs), cost $26,000 each. The longer range JSOW (JDAM with wings and more powerful guidance system), cost $460,000 each. The even longer range JASSM cost $500,000 (the 400 kilometers version) to $930,000 (the 900 kilometer JASSM ER) each. Then there is the SDB (Small Diameter Bomb), a 250 pound JDAM that can also punch through concrete bunkers and other structures. These cost $75,000 each.

 

 The AGM-158 JASSM missiles are 2,300 pound weapons that are basically 1,000 pound JDAMS (GPS guided bombs) with a motor and GPS guidance kit added. JASSM was designed to go after enemy air defense systems, or targets deep in heavily defended (against air attack) enemy territory. The air force and navy planed to buy over 5,000 JASSM, but there has been opposition in the military and in Congress. The missiles are ten times more expensive than a JADM bomb of the same weight. But the aviators make the argument that many aircraft and pilots would be lost if the air defenses of a nation like, perhaps China, were attacked without using JASSM.

 

The U.S. Air Force ordered the AGM-158 JASSM into full production in early 2004. But only a few have been produced, because of test failures. Air force purchasing plans have been cut way back because of reliability problems, and this has delayed shipment of the missiles to combat units until sometime this year.

 

 JASSM is stealthy and uses GPS and terminal (infrared) guidance to zero in on heavily defended targets (like air defense sites.) The terminal guidance enables the missile to land within ten feet of the aiming point. If there were a war with North Korea, for example, JASSM would be essential to taking out enemy air defenses, or any other targets that have to be hit early in a war (before air defenses can be shut down.) This capability is apparently what attracted the South Koreans, who now have F-15K aircraft that can carry JASSM.

 

JASSM was designed to handle the most modern Russian surface to air missiles, which are being sold to China. North Korea has older stuff, and can't afford the newer Russian SAMs. But even these older air defenses can be dangerous, and are best addressed with long range missiles.

 

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DragonReborn       4/28/2008 7:44:49 AM
What's the difference in capabilities between the new JASSM and the Anglo-French Storm Shadow / SCALP EG?
 
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Herald12345        4/28/2008 8:49:45 AM

What's the difference in capabilities between the new JASSM and the Anglo-French Storm Shadow / SCALP EG?

Storm Shadow WORKS.

Herald
 
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doggtag    Ouch!   4/28/2008 10:33:14 AM



What's the difference in capabilities between the new JASSM and the Anglo-French Storm Shadow / SCALP EG?


Storm Shadow WORKS.

Herald


Wow!
How's that for a burn?
The French can make it work (low observable guided "cruise bomb"), whereas US defense contractors can't...
 
With all the advances in small-scale turbines and improvements in solid propellant tech (everything from ducted variable flow ram-rockets to the new HAN thrusters being developed by Aerojet   ),
I'm surprised that no US defense contractor can muster the ingenuity (or is it just simple integration?) to make it feasible (JASSM).
With the all the supposed technical hurdles faced in the JASSM program, it makes one wonder if our current generation could even have developed a 1980s-tech Tomahawk on their own...
 
 
 
 
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ArtyEngineer       4/28/2008 10:46:41 AM
I really cant understand why the JASSM has performed so poorly during test shots!!!!  It has to be a quality control issue during manufacture or does anyone know there to be designn issues of some description?
 
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Herald12345    Mark XIV torpedo lesson all over again.   4/28/2008 11:14:33 AM

I really cant understand why the JASSM has performed so poorly during test shots!!!!  It has to be a quality control issue during manufacture or does anyone know there to be design issues of some description?


Something is fundamentally wrong on the design team, or rotten in the program management. This turkey SHOULD work.

Herald
 
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DragonReborn       4/28/2008 12:38:22 PM
So if the South Koreans are so desperate to get their hands on JASSM, why don't they just buy Storm Shadow? I'm guessing that its compatible with their F-15K's?

Are the South Koreans just too far in bed with the US to dare to purchase non-US?

Does South Korea use any military hardware that isnt US or indigenous?
 
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ker       4/29/2008 7:13:15 PM




I really cant understand why the JASSM has performed so poorly during test shots!!!!  It has to be a quality control issue during manufacture or does anyone know there to be design issues of some description?




Something is fundamentally wrong on the design team, or rotten in the program management. This turkey SHOULD work.

Herald

Forgive me but I bet there are multiple solutions to this problem that are classified to the point this design team is reinventing the wheel.  Or going through the motions to cast the illusion that we don't have things we have.  Maybe a watered down tool for the North Koreans that won't teach the Chines what we have up our sleeve for them.  I could be completely snowed by pro-U.S. propaganda? 
"Blue Sparrow Does Everything
 
"April 19, 2008: Israel recently successfully tested its new Blue Sparrow missile warhead simulator. This is a rocket, launched from an aircraft, that looks, to radar, like the warhead from a long range Iranian ballistic missile. Back in the late 1990s, Israel developed the Black Sparrow missile, that could simulate a ballistic missile warhead. Basically it's a 15 foot long, one ton  rocket carried to a high altitude by an F-15 and fired. The Black Sparrow hits about the same high altitude as the actual ballistic missile, and then plunges back to earth in the same manner (angle and speed)."
 
 
Suppress the trajectory to get to the target faster?  Put fire solution computers in the F-15K that target the SparrowK ballisticly? Use them to crack bunkers?  Cluster bomb AAA launchers?  Rig them to burn and leave a bright trace in the sky and make a very loud noise when they hit something- a dominance display as PsyOps? 
 
Cost is a question.  Some kind of airborne artillery rockets that use speed rather than stealth to beat anti-air craft fire might be cost effective.  And if it isn't just make the enemy believe it is to discomfit their counter measure research.

 
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Herald12345    Ker reply.....   4/30/2008 1:33:29 AM
The Australians do some interesting work on this problem. Scramjet and compound cycle missiles are just some possible outcomes I see coming out of their work.

JASSM is just a LockMart embarrassment at the moment. It should work.

Herald

 
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dba       4/30/2008 5:27:01 AM

So if the South Koreans are so desperate to get their hands on JASSM, why don't they just buy Storm Shadow? I'm guessing that its compatible with their F-15K's?

Are the South Koreans just too far in bed with the US to dare to purchase non-US?

Does South Korea use any military hardware that isnt US or indigenous?

These non-US, non-indigenous weapons are in service in S. Korean armed forces.  Knew about these but trying to put them into 1 list was an education for me.

-Mistral MANPADS - French

-Panzerfaust 3 - Germany
man portable anti-tank weapon augmenting jeep mounted recoilless rifles of ROK

-Type 209 and Type 214 U-boats - Germany
All of front-line S. Korean navy subs are these

-Lynx Mk.99  Export version of the HAS.8  - UK
Believe this is the only type of chopper carried by S. Korean naval ships.  LPD Dokdo Amphibious ship still doesn't have its own choppers

-T80U & BMP3 - Russia
ROK army operates a few dozen which were acquired as payment from Russia for a loan it could not repay S. Korea

-Arthur Weapon Locating Radar system from Saab
ROK Army has selected this system to purchase.

-Goalkeeper CIWS Gun System - Dutch
Believe all major ROK Navy ships are equipped with this.

Seems like ROK uses non-US equipment when US doesn't have anything in inventory to meet the need of ROK or costs too much.  

S. Korean forces expect and need to be able to integrate CLOSELY with US.  For example, K-1 and K-2 rifles (standard rifles for ROK forces) are chambered  for 5.56 NATO AND can use M16 magazines.  I'd imagine they expect US to supply ammunition IF war with N. Korea goes any longer than a few months...  And KATUSA exists only in S. Korea, for a reason.
 
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doggtag    Resurrection: so says JASSM, "I'm not dead yet!"   5/7/2008 12:47:37 PM

Something is fundamentally wrong on the design team, or rotten in the program management. This turkey SHOULD work.

Herald

You guys have probably seen it already (from a few days ago,..sorry, I've been out of the loop at CLS training)
but...
 
 
Yeah, I'm with Herald on the whole issue:
Tomahawk worked, built around 1970s tech.
Harpoon worked, built around 1970s tech.
As does its newer-generation brethren, SLAM-ER.
Too many others to even bother listing (say it ain't so that even the French can pull it off!),
some much much smaller,
and built using pre-2000's tech,
yet they work and JASSM is still struggling???
 
Fire somebody! PLEASE!
 
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