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Turning The Tables On The Taliban

May 18, 2009: Here's a small Afghanistan battle, showing the tactics typical of those used on both sides. On May 12th, in southern Herat province, an Afghan army convoy was ambushed by Taliban forces, using machine-guns and RPGs. The troops in the convoy fired back and called for backup. The nearest quick-reaction force was an Afghan army unit, and they got hit by Taliban who had taken over a village on the other side of the river, from the road the quick reaction force would have to use to reach the trapped convoy. The quick reaction force called for air support, but the warplanes scanned the area with their targeting pods and reported that the Taliban had collected most of the local civilians and were holding them at gunpoint, as human shields.

The Afghan commandos of the quick reaction force then crossed the river and forced the Taliban out of the village, and away from their human shields. The villagers, once free of their captors, told the Afghan troops where the Taliban had set up more fighting positions, and the Afghan soldiers soon chased the Taliban away. Meanwhile, other Afghan and U.S. troops of the Quick Reaction force went ahead to where the supply convoy was still pinned down. The Afghans, and a team of U.S. Special Forces troops, outmaneuvered the ambush force, killed five of the Taliban, and captured six of those they had wounded. Several other Taliban got away.

As the supply went on, they hit two roadside bombs. One vehicle was destroyed, But no one was hurt. Throughout the entire action, no troops (American or Afghan) or civilians were killed. It was the training and leadership of the Afghan troops, and the use of air power (for reconnaissance, not smart bombs) that played a major role in the success of the operation. The American Special Forces troops have been advising and training the Afghan soldiers and, in this case, fighting alongside them.

The Taliban are still basically tribal warriors. In a battle, even those with good shooting skills, will fire wildly. The Taliban fighters are not trained to carry out a lot of moves, and are easily panicked. The Pushtun tribesmen of this part of the world, have a tradition of fleeing a lost battle, and not fighting to the past man. Thus if you can make the Taliban think they are about to be surrounded by ground troops, they will flee. U.S. and Afghan forces not only have better training and leadership, but also know Taliban tactics, and how best to exploit them.

 

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Bob Cortez       5/18/2009 7:06:06 AM

Letting them flee is a basic error, because you will just see them again.  Alexander the Great learned that clemency didn't work so killed them in detail when he could.

 
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WarNerd       5/18/2009 10:13:26 AM
Sounds like the 1st ambush force got badly mauled. 
 
The commando's that took on the 2nd ambush force would have had to leave their vehicles on the other side of the river.  So the Taliban fighters would have been able to simply disperse and out run them, which is probably why they selected that location to fight from.  A solution will probably require track some of the group from the air for a day or more, probably with drones, to catch the unit when it reforms.  If we ever have enough drones to spare a couple to do it.
 
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FJV    I thought that they all do that.   5/18/2009 11:59:09 AM
Hit and run are standard guerrilla / insurgency tactics.
 
You get your shots in and disappear before the enemy can react, you don't stay and slug it out with superior conventional forces.
 
Maybe it is not all tradition.
 
 
 
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cwDeici       5/18/2009 2:50:58 PM
In that case the Taliban should have left immediately after murdering a few civilians so they can blame it on the government later.
 
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cwDeici       5/18/2009 2:51:48 PM
They are guerillas, but they're also tribal warriors. They want to fight, but run a bit too fast when it seems they're losing.
 
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jrjohnryanjr    Alexander   5/18/2009 4:19:05 PM
Bob when Alexander went through the Khyber pass on his way to India he paid the locals. It is cheaper than trying to fight them. Oh and on his way back from India ? yeah  then also, you pay going both ways.
 
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giblets       5/19/2009 4:42:42 AM
Sounds like the old figures that were told about troops in WWII, Korea, Vietnam...today... Because of ineffective training, the troops don't actually shoot to kill, as training got better, a higher percentage shot to kill.
I suspect a lot of the taliban (mainly those who are doing it for the money) are probably of the 'just shoot in the vicinity' variety of troops compared to the US and Afghan (?) troops.
 
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giblets       5/19/2009 4:51:42 AM
Just found thequote!

In more modern times, we know that the average firing rate was incredibly low in Civil War battles. Patty Griffith demonstrates that the killing potential of the average Civil War regiment was anywhere from 500 to 1,000 men per minute. The actual killing rate was only one or two men per minute per regiment (The Battle Tactics of the American Civil War). At the Battle of Gettysburg, of the 27,000 muskets picked up after the battle from the dead and dying, 90 percent were loaded. This is an anomaly because it took 95 percent of their time to load muskets and only five percent to fire, but even more

amazingly, of the thousands of loaded muskets, over half had multiple loads in the barrel. The reality is that the average man would load his musket and bring it to his shoulder, but at the moment of truth he could not bring himself to kill. He'd be brave, he'd stand shoulder to shoulder, he'd do what he's been trained to do, but he couldn?t bring himself to pull the trigger, so he would bring the weapon down and load it again. One weapon  was found with 23 loads in the barrel. Of those who did fire, only a tiny percentage fired to hit. The vast majority were firing over the enemy's head. During World War II, U.S. Army Brigadier General S. L. A. Marshall had a team of researchers studying what the soldiers did in battle. Marshall had a revolutionary idea: for the first time in human history they asked the individual soldier what he did in battle.
 
What they discovered was that only 15-20 percent of the individual riflemen could bring themselves to fire at an exposed enemy soldier. This was consistently true ?whether the action was spread over a day, or two days or three.? That's the reality of the battlefield. Only a small percentage of soldiers are able and willing to participate. Men are willing to die, they're willing to give themselves as a sacrificial offering for their nation, but they're not willing to kill. It's a phenomenal insight into human nature, but when the military became aware of that, they systematically went about the process of trying to fix this ?problem.?
From the military perspective a fifteen percent firing rate among riflemen is like a fifteen percent literacy rate among librarians. And fix it the military did. By the Korean War around 55 percent of the soldiers were willing to fire to kill; by Vietnam, the rate rose to over 90 percent.
 
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FJV    Consider this instead:   5/19/2009 12:12:27 PM
 
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FJV    Consider this instead:   5/19/2009 12:12:58 PM
 
 
"http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1989/2/1989_2_36.shtml"
 
 
 
 
 
 
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flyingarty    Taliban   5/20/2009 4:28:03 PM
This will only get better for the Afgani people when THEY start killing taliban in their sleep. Frankly, when you find out someone is a taliban you begin to find ways to murder him quietly, untracably: poison his food, shoot him when he pisses, blow up his truck, I dont care how. The Taliban use these tactics, use them back! You need to make people afraid to admit they are Taliban, make them afraid of being Taliban, and if they are not....make them deceased Taliban. There is not clean solution for the Afgani's, if they want Taliban gone they are going to have to start killing themselves, nothing else will suffice.
 
Flyingarty
 
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jak267       5/20/2009 11:19:19 PM
What you fail to mention is that it still counts as a Taliban success - and so does every other battle they engage in, no matter what the final outcome or how many terrorists are killed - because they have an infinite supply of guns, IEDs, and fools to draw on.
 
 They don't have to win a single battle - only outlast us.
 
 
 
 
 
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Panther       5/21/2009 4:28:16 AM

What you fail to mention is that it still counts as a Taliban success - and so does every other battle they engage in, no matter what the final outcome or how many terrorists are killed - because they have an infinite supply of guns, IEDs, and fools to draw on.


 

 They don't have to win a single battle - only outlast us.




Well, i guess it was only a matter of time before that P.O.V. crept up
 

 
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WarNerd       5/21/2009 6:22:37 AM

What you fail to mention is that it still counts as a Taliban success - and so does every other battle they engage in, no matter what the final outcome or how many terrorists are killed - because they have an infinite supply of guns, IEDs, and fools to draw on.

They don't have to win a single battle - only outlast us.

The key to your argument is "outlast us".  If they lose their safe areas in Pakistan and are seen as more of a liability than a benefit by the southern drug lords, then they can still "outlast us" but no longer have any significance in the region except as another criminal gang.
 
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flyingarty       5/21/2009 9:17:23 AM

What you fail to mention is that it still counts as a Taliban success - and so does every other battle they engage in, no matter what the final outcome or how many terrorists are killed - because they have an infinite supply of guns, IEDs, and fools to draw on.


 

 They don't have to win a single battle - only outlast us.
 
They can't outlast the Afgani's they live there! My whole post was about the Afgani's killing Taliban, not US intervention. flyingarty

 

 

 

 



 
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