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December 31, 2010: France is expanding its intelligence operations, with its main intel agency getting a budget boost while many government agencies are being cut. Recruiting has been increased, and the emphasis is getting people who can help maintain the French edge over the many Islamic terrorists who have settled down in France. This expansion will leave DGSE (the French CIA/MI6/Mossad/SVR equivalent) with about ten percent more personnel (and a total strength of a bit over 5,000.)

The DGSE, like its British counterpart (MI-6), keeps a low profile. But DGSE has been very effective. France believes it is better organized and equipped, than Britain and most other European nations, to deal with Islamic terrorism. There are three main reasons for this attitude. First, France has a government system that concentrates much power at the center (like most European states), and there are few legal constraints concerning individual rights (in sharp contrast to the United States, Britain and Germany.) French law is fundamentally different. If accused, you are guilty until proven innocent. French prosecutors operate much like police commanders, deploying investigators and police during the investigation and prosecution of cases. This different attitude also enables French intelligence agencies to operate with more speed and efficiency. This efficiency is also the result of reforms, begun the late 1990s, to unify and streamline the many intel agencies in the French government.

The French also believe that their century of experience dealing with Arabs in North Africa, even though they abandoned their last colony there, Algeria, in the 1960s, gives them better insights and skills. At least when it comes to dealing with Islamic radicalism.

Finally, France has had to deal with some very active Algerian terrorist groups over the last decade. These groups were more effective in France because of the millions of Arabs living in the country. Many of these Arabs support Islamic radicalism, and have provided cover, and other assistance, to Islamic terrorists.

The French believe that invading Iraq was a mistake, because it just stirred things up with the Arabs (in France, and throughout the Middle East.) Part of this is the usual French arrogance, blindly believing that whatever methods they have developed must be the most efficient, and that any other approach is obviously second best and defective.

Islamic terrorists have not pulled off an attack in France since 1996. However, despite their smugness, the French are alarmed at the growing threat from among their own Arab and Moslem immigrant population. But this is a problem that has been growing for decades, and France has not been able to come up with a solution. Unlike the United States, France does not encourage assimilation as much. Thus, while France has better tools to deal with terrorists, the United States has a better social system to prevent them in the first place. Thus the United States can go into Iraq and cause far less danger back home. This, of course, makes the French furious. Invading Iraq may help the United States in the long run, but it just causes more problems for France, and other European nations, in the short term.

 

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REMF       12/31/2010 8:14:12 AM
"French law is fundamentally different. If accused, you are guilty until proven innocent." This isn't true. See for example: http://law554.com.au/2010/10/the-essential-question-of-the-presumption-of-innocence/
 
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jak267       12/31/2010 6:32:23 PM
The more problems for the French the better. After all, morality isn't their strong suit.
 
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davidhughes       1/1/2011 12:36:59 AM
"""French law is fundamentally different. If accused, you are guilty until proven innocent."""
 
What balony! The Napoleonic system is considered just as 'fair' as ours - but lawyers hate it because the adversarial system is carefully policed so they make less money. They have two kinds of 'judges' - one supervises the police and no one is charged until that judge alone determines that there is sufficient evidence to prosecute; in a full trial there are three other judges and when the jury of six retire they go with them. Which gets rid of the endless, ludicrous jury-picking and desperate attempts at hiding facts from juries that takes place here. The only serious problem is that the first stage aften takes far too long.
 
"""The more problems for the French the better. After all, morality isn't their strong suit."""
 
Oh - and we have greater respect for morality? Please - what a ridiculous statement.
 
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portsidedown       1/1/2011 2:58:07 PM

The more problems for the French the better. After all, morality isn't their strong suit.

Better get out the ouija board and have a chat with Rousseau, Voltaire and Hugo.
 
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joekubert    From Kevin the hapless french guy   1/3/2011 7:18:22 AM
"the usual French arrogance, blindly believing, any other approach is obviously second best and defective, despite their smugness,..."
 
Ah, well, this IS a Strategypage article, the website where you learn that the "cheese-eating surrendering monkeys" bit dates back from "World War II" (instead of being a Simpsons line lifted by french-bashers at the height or nadir of the 2003 pre-OIF temper tantrum), and where most, if not almost all of the "military jokes" are centered upon those pitiful french.
Since I'm still rather pro-US, I'll refrain from the "back atcha" routine (arrogance? Smugness?), but, come on, people...
 
 
"Unlike the United States, France does not encourage assimilation as much. Thus, while France has better tools to deal with terrorists, the United States has a better social system to prevent them in the first place. Thus the United States can go into Iraq and cause far less danger back home. This, of course, makes the French furious. Invading Iraq may help the United States in the long run, but it just causes more problems for France, and other European nations, in the short term."
 
This is pure, unadulterated BS, if you pardon my french, so to speak... Not to belittle the real, and very dire existential threat to France and Western Europe over this upcoming century, but, as a "white nationalist/race-realist" of some kind (I'm no nazi, believe me), I've really grown tired of that meme. From my outsider's pov, the USA are in no position at all to lecture ANYONE, when it comes to immigration, identity politics, race hustlers, (white) guilt blackmailers,..., and, as a matter of fact, you're (or your left) are more like the progenitors of that self-defeating hubris that has infected a great chunk of our "Elites".
So, really, clean up your collective act, before lecturing others (see the "arrogance" and "smugness" bits above). And I also do mean that in regards to the muslim brotherhood, the saudis, the pan-turkists, and their love embrace with at least a significant part of the US "Elites"... yep, I'm also well aware that the very same situation exists back in Europe, with an extreme IMHO in the UK and not in France - but we're getting here very quickly again due to identity politics, as now pushed even as I type by the USSD which is busy "targeting" the future "french "elites in the 'hoods and grooming whatever future "obama" they can find, much to the (justified) furor of the french rightwingnuts -,... BUT, what in Europe is rightly denounced as Eurabia simply goes right under the radar when it happens in the USA.
Talk about an HUGE blindspot.
But, I guess it's consistent, over the years, I've came to realize that a significant portion of the US conservatives were in fact liberals with a thin layer of social/fiscal/whatever/... conservatism, as it suited them. People who have drank the liberal kool-aid, but still see themselves as "conservatives" (dissing the french on youtube or having a "I support the troops" bumpersticker on his SUV seems to do the trick, no actual effort, intellectual or real-life, needed).
 
As for iraq having helped the USA in the long run, we'll see when we're there... so far, I fail to see any improvement, or even an hint of an improvement (and I was and am quite okay with that whole iraq war, as when asked to choose ideological sides between the "US Hegemon" and the arabs/leftists/EUcrats/..., I'll choose the US Warmongers? anytime, especially over our own domestic idiotarians, and it's 100x truer as far as bloodspilling is involved, I'd have preferred iraq or afghanistan to be turned into glass, rather than a single young man from any western country to lose his life, USA of course included).
 
In any case, the iraqi Christians don't seem to have been helped much, but, hey, it's just my "gallic arrogance" acting up again.
 
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joekubert    From Kevin the hapless french guy   1/3/2011 7:29:56 AM
Rather than rousseau and voltaire, who were some rather pitiful and harmful people, and from an US pov, I'd rather have mentioned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocqueville , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,_marquis_de_Lafayette , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastiat .
Anyway, how comes that France is instrumental in helping the USA get their independence, that for long, it sees itself as a sister-country to the USA (Statue of Liberty, anyone?), and that in return, there is such a deep-running undercurrent of francophobia in the USA??? This is a real question. I'm not talking about something "political" (the french anti-americanism steems mostly from the twin monsters of french communism and gaullism who had a converging post-WWII goal of distancing french people from the USA), but something that to me is almost existential, I mean, scratch the surface just a bit, and here it is, from the right, from the left, in intellectual circles, in popular culture, from 'nice' bits, to hit-pieces like the head-scratching "our oldest ennemy" book...
That is strange, really, I could get it from the brits, with whom we have had a rather "strong" relationship over the ages, and who have outpaced us in the 18th-19th century and so felt they could gloat (20th should have been Germany's century, not the USA's, but Germany wasted its chance with the two WW), but, the USA?
 
Weird.
 
 
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georgert    Stupidest Article Ever   1/4/2011 3:20:37 AM
Who writes this jingoistic crap? Take a fact, add a little common knowledge history and stir in a bunch of cliche-ridden stereotypes, mix well and pawn it off as some sort of journalistic insight is hardly a recipe for news. A statement leading off with "The usual French arrogance..." seems like it was written by a grouchy editor who could not get the waiter to bring him ketchup for his order of freedom fries on his last layover in Paris.
 
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ker    Jingo   1/4/2011 12:47:30 PM
Is it posible that if all talk contrasting French/German cival style law and Anglo/American common style law is forced into high accedemic structured language that the French position is favored unfairly. Politics is more than a parlor game for the elites. 
 
France was the one we dated when we were just moving out of moms basement but Briton is still mom.

 
 I might have writon this in the form of a poem identified me with itsstyle as a member of the pproper class but that would defeat the point. French make much talk of equality but equality is what the emporior says it is.
 
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