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Turks Prepare to Invade Iraq
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February 13, 2007: Several European countries have begun arresting PKK activists and financial supporters. Belgium arrested at least four people allegedly tied to the PKK, but on February 10 released the suspects. France arrested 13 PKK members on February 5. The charges include smuggling and money laundering - giving the European countries the "cover" of police operations. However, there is a political element. Turkey has been complaining for two decades about European sanctuaries for the PKK,  and the U.S. has been encouraging the European countries to help curb PKK financing.

February 7, 2007: The US urged Turkey to not launch a "cross border" action into Iraq to pursue PKK rebels. Since last Fall, Turkey has said that if the US and Iraq do not take concrete measures to stop PKK infiltration into Turkey, the Turkish military will act. Turkey reported that 250 people died in PKK attacks (including terror bomb attacks) in 2006. The Turks expect an increase in PKK attacks once Winter ends. What are some "concrete measures" the Turkish military is considering? Air attacks are the most probable. Last year both Iran and Turkey shelled Kurd rebel positions in the Kandil Mountains. However, artillery usually means artillery spotters. That can be done from the air, but most likely Turkish special operations forces would be involved in both air and artillery attacks. Turkish special operations forces conduct intelligence operations in northern Iraq, and they know the area well. What the US fears is another "incursion" with 50,000 to 100,000 Turkish troops. An "incursion" of this size could go 40 to 50 kilometers into northern Iraq. The Turks refer to this as a "limited" incursion. Given the number of troops, it is really a sizeable operation. Turkey, however, could claim (credibly) that the attack is not an invasion but an operation intended to destroy terrorist bases. The Turks have done this before. The problem starts once the Turks leave and PKK cadres re-infiltrate. What Turkey wants is the US and Iraq to stop the PKK from returning to its bases.

February 5, 2007: Iraqi Kurds are urging PKK separatists to not conduct a "spring terrorist campaign."

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kane       2/13/2007 9:27:42 AM
Yeah whenever we go in PKK knew we are there so they go away
There are two options for this USA or Barzani warns them
Barzani says they support Turkey aganist PKK but the last Turkish commander who entered Iraq said that terrorist united with persmerges and attacked as from Barzani's posts

 
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smitty237       2/13/2007 7:18:25 PM
Turkey had its chance to take part in the rebuilding process in Iraq and maybe do something about the PKK in 2003, but refused to participate in the invasion of Iraq or allow American ground troops to invade Northern Iraq from Turkey.  Now that they don't have to worry about facing Iraqi tanks Turkey is talking tough and threatening to invade.  Real tough guys, I tell you. 
 
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jbapk1       2/13/2007 11:02:05 PM
Smitty, are the US soldiers who face ieds and rpgs instead of tanks "tough guys"?
 
Are the Turkish soldiers in the ISAF in Afganistan "tough guys"?
 
Where'd you do your service, "tough guy"?
 
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smitty237       2/13/2007 11:31:28 PM

Smitty, are the US soldiers who face ieds and rpgs instead of tanks "tough guys"?

 

Are the Turkish soldiers in the ISAF in Afganistan "tough guys"?

 

Where'd you do your service, "tough guy"?


 If you disagree with my statement then try to refute it intelligently and lay off the personal attacks.  I don't have to defend my service to my country or my community to you or anyone else on this site.  I just think it's a little chicken$#!+ that Turkey had the perfect opportunity to play a role in Northern Iraq but decided to sit it out while the Americans and the Brits took out those Iraqi tanks are now facing those IEDs and RPGs you described.  Now Turkey is making noises about "doing something" about the PKK.  Gee, I never heard them talking that trash when Saddam was in charge.  Sorry if my statement hurt your European pride, but if you guys ever decide you want to do your part against Islamic terrorism, then by all means step right up. 
 
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jbapk1       2/14/2007 5:54:58 PM




Smitty, are the US soldiers who face ieds and rpgs instead of tanks "tough guys"?



 



Are the Turkish soldiers in the ISAF in Afganistan "tough guys"?



 



Where'd you do your service, "tough guy"?




 If you disagree with my statement then try to refute it intelligently and lay off the personal attacks.  I don't have to defend my service to my country or my community to you or anyone else on this site.  I just think it's a little chicken$#!+ that Turkey had the perfect opportunity to play a role in Northern Iraq but decided to sit it out while the Americans and the Brits took out those Iraqi tanks are now facing those IEDs and RPGs you described.  Now Turkey is making noises about "doing something" about the PKK.  Gee, I never heard them talking that trash when Saddam was in charge.  Sorry if my statement hurt your European pride, but if you guys ever decide you want to do your part against Islamic terrorism, then by all means step right up. 


If you have a point more worth while then "Turkish civilains deserve to be bombed" because they opposed the Iraq war, I'll treat you more seriously. 
 
Now, tough guy, what did you do in the war on terror?

 
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Scratchie    smitty   2/14/2007 7:20:29 PM
You call Turkey being coward? Dude you don't know what your talking about. Turkey did invade Iraq in early 1990s when Saddam was in charge. I don't know if you'd call that an invasioon since we didn't claim the land but just cleaned up the area. You tallking like it's a great accomplishment to beat a 3rd class army. Turkey doesn't need US's help to do the operation. All it needs is an okay from Bush. And idk if we'll wait till then.
 
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smitty237       2/14/2007 10:35:22 PM

You call Turkey being coward? Dude you don't know what your talking about. Turkey did invade Iraq in early 1990s when Saddam was in charge. I don't know if you'd call that an invasioon since we didn't claim the land but just cleaned up the area. You tallking like it's a great accomplishment to beat a 3rd class army. Turkey doesn't need US's help to do the operation. All it needs is an okay from Bush. And idk if we'll wait till then.

I checked my post again, and I never once used the word "coward."  I am well aware that Turkish troops have a well earned reputation for toughness.  I just wish that their politicians had some of that testicular fortitude.  If anything Turkey had more reason that almost anyone to invade Iraq and do more than just "clean up the area."  No, beating the Iraqi Army wasn't the greatest military victory in the world, but that victory might have been a lot easier with Turkish help.  What we have done in Iraq is going to make things easier for Turkey should it decide to conduct its next "cleaning" operation against the PKK. 
By the way, the contraction for "you are" is y-o-u-'r-e (you're), not y-o-u-r, which is a possessive.  You're welcome. 
 
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smitty237       2/14/2007 11:04:32 PM
If you have a point more worth while then "Turkish civilains deserve to be bombed" because they opposed the Iraq war, I'll treat you more seriously. 
 
Now, tough guy, what did you do in the war on terror?
 
I don't know if we are losing something in translation here because I never wrote that Turkish civilians deserved to be bombed, and I have no idea where you are getting this from what I said other than I simply hurt your feelings somehow and you have to make stuff up in order to have something to come back with. 
 
I will make my point again, only this time I will type slowly so it will be easy to understand.  Turkey had an excellent opportunity to take on the PKK and destroy them once and for all by participating in the invasion of Iraq.  They could have even limited their operations to Northern Iraq if they wanted to, but for some inexplicable reason they refused to participate in the operation or even allow Coalition troops to deploy from there.  Now that they are continuing to suffer from PKK terrorist attacks they are threatening to invade Norther Iraq, a task that will be much easier now that there is no risk of facing Iraqi tanks or aircraft, which of course is due to the actions we took in 2003 without Turkish help.  I just find it bitterly ironic that Turkey is being so truculent now when it seemed to lack the stomach to fight four years ago. 
 
Why don't you please try to argue why you think I am so wrong instead of personally attacking me?  I am a grown man and don't have the time to get into a personal p!$$ing match with someone I don't know that lives halfway across the world.  As far as my service goes.............well, if you want to know about me all you need to do is look around on this site.  I have served and continue to serve every single day, but that is beside the point.  My statements are based upon my observations of world affairs and I feel that I can back my opinions up without resorting to personal attacks or questioning someone else's service to make my points.  Can you?
 
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kane       2/15/2007 9:49:54 AM
Yeah that would be a good oppurtinity but the situation was different back then
The people though USA was using our soldiers because of the situation in Afghanistan
Besides we didn't belive(and still believe) Iraq was ok.I don't mean Turks were supporting Saddam but they had no nukes and stuff.Declaring war on a country is totally different ain't it?

 
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Pseudonym       2/15/2007 11:10:49 AM
"Yeah that would be a good oppurtinity but the situation was different back then
The people though USA was using our soldiers because of the situation in Afghanistan"

How dare we ask a long time ally for help.  And don't worry about bombs being dropped on your country, the American fighter craft and your fighter pilots using them are more then capable of protecting Turkey from a basically non existent air force.  If it's Scud's you were worried about, I am sure there were some Patriot batteries ready to come over and help.

"Besides we didn't belive(and still believe) Iraq was ok."

He gassed his own people. Nuance only stretches so far.

"I don't mean Turks were supporting Saddam but they had no nukes and stuff.Declaring war on a country is totally different ain't it?"

Democracy in the Middle East, Bush's plan for making the Middle East deal with it's own terrorists by installing Effective Governments and playing nursemaid to them while we make them take care of their own problems.

But hey, No WMD is a great way to deflect having to actually discuss what options are available in this war and take the arguement outside the WOT.  Then again, considering he had chemical and nuclear technology stored ready to restart his programs once sanctions ended and oil money once again flowed and that there were 500 chemical weapons found, you might wish to reconsider your position on that whole No WMD spiel.

I'm turning into my mother, I swore I would never say this.

What part of NO don't you understand?

500 is more than none, so is 1. Even  0.001 is more then none.

Any of this getting through?
 
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