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The Royal Marines Show How It's Done
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January 14, 2009: British Marine Commandos (all British marines are commandos) recently conducted an 18 day operation against the Taliban in southern Afghanistan. This operation, involving 1,500 marines and a few hundred Danish and Afghan troops, serves as a model for the kind of operations possible as several additional brigades of American troops enter the area over the next year.

The British marines killed over a hundred Taliban, and lost five of their own. More importantly, they also killed a key Taliban leader in the area, seized $3 million worth of opium (such drugs are a major source of income for the Taliban) and an IED workshop. The British marines chased down the Taliban, who tried to flee. Staying on the Taliban day after day, the marines ultimately shattered the local organization. The operation disrupted the ability of several hundred Taliban to operate and crippled their support and command network. The operation also had a bad effect on Taliban morale, and the willingness of locals to support, or simply tolerate, the Taliban.

The British made it very clear that they could decisively defeat the Taliban, and go after the enemy wherever they were, and no matter how hard their fought back. The British, in effect, dominated the battlefield, and the enemy. Multiply this several times, and run these operations constantly, and the Taliban military capability will be broken. This is nothing new. It's been done before to the Afghan tribal warriors, and accounts of such disasters are among the less popular tribal legends throughout the region.

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ArtyEngineer    This is good news.....but   1/14/2009 11:04:57 AM
The Brits, US, Canadians have been doing this for teh last few years and in 6 months time the Taliban are back.  Once ops like this have been completed it is vital to maintain a permenant robust presence in the area and to immediately start the types of "Infrastructure and Social Programs" that will make these gain permenant.  I do not belive that current or even projected troop strength in Afghanistan will enable this to be accomplished.  Maybe I am overly pessimestic.  Hopefully some one can reassure me that I am wrong ;)
 
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trenchsol       1/14/2009 12:00:56 PM
This is great news, but, as long as Taliban can hide in Pakistan, regroup, and wait for more favorable conditions on the other side of the border, there is a problem. Pakistan is the key.
 
DG

 
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Chris       1/14/2009 6:17:09 PM
The problem is keeping posession of the ground once you gain it.  If they just up and leave without maintaining a presence of some kind then the Taliban will simply come back after NATO leaves the area (and that would be just like what happened in Viet Nam).
 
Lets hope htey keep it up!
 
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SAE       1/15/2009 1:10:00 AM
ArtyEngineer, Obama going to add 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Maybe that will be enough.
 
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Batou    Re: This sounds Xtreme but   1/15/2009 4:03:04 AM
Nuke it......

Don't like it.... but this region has plagued mankind since the days of Alexander the Great. And he didn't have CNN/BBC/Youtube on his back.

Irradiate Green and stop anything from living there.

Otherwise when the Civilised World is weakened from the up-coming Energy Dark Ages - THIS is where the babarian Horde are going to come from. 
 
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kensohaski       1/15/2009 10:06:10 PM

Nuke it......




Don't like it.... but this region has plagued mankind since the days of Alexander the Great. And he didn't have CNN/BBC/Youtube on his back.




Irradiate Green and stop anything from living there.




Otherwise when the Civilised World is weakened from the up-coming Energy Dark Ages - THIS is where the babarian Horde are going to come from. 

Just call the operation "Round Up", just like the grass killer....
 
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SCCOMarine    US Marines Originally Showed How Its Done   1/30/2009 1:58:23 AM
I love my Brit RM colleagues, I've trained & deployed w/them.  But your characterization is BullSh*t when NO... NO major ops were having any real success in that region until the US Marine's 24th MEU deployed to the area softening it up for all the HIGH SPEED OPS your Bragging about right now.
 
The 24th MEU Assault on the Town of Garmsir was the 1st major Op to take it to the Taliban in that area in over a yr, & it happened after the Marine's had been in A'stan for less than 6wks.  They used their 3 Rifle Companies saving the rest of the MEU as QRF.
 
 
This is fr/ the BRITISH PAPER "Defence of the Realm" recounting the Op that ORIGINALLY put the Taliban on the run in Southern Afghanistan.
 
 
 

Another Success

Defense of the Realm
Wednesday, 30 April 2008

Scene of the abortive rescue attempt of a Royal Marine in January 2007 by troops carried on the outside of Apache attack helicopters, after a failed attack a Taliban fort in Jugroom, Gamsir province is now the centre of a massive operation by US Marines.

According to Reuters, in a dawn attack yesterday, the Marines stormed the provincial capital, which goes by the same name of Gamsir (sometimes spelt "Garmser"). A substantial force was deployed to Helmand, estimated by The Times at about 2,400. The action started on Tuesday, with the troops securing routes into the town in the south of Helmand province, the world's biggest opium producing region and a hotbed of insurgent activity.

This is the US Marines' first large operation in Afghanistan since arriving to reinforce NATO troops last month although they were said by The Daily Telegraph to have been supported by British forces.

The Guardian has it that the Marines landed before dawn yesterday, some trundling in on Humvee trucks and others arriving by helicopter. Within a few hours, insurgents armed with guns and rocket launchers poured out of a local madrasa, sparking fighting that lasted several hours.
 
The Taleban - who claimed to have hundreds of fighters in the area, entrenched in a series of pre-prepared defence - responded with small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades. They failed to inflict any casualties. The combat, says the paper, petered out by late morning after US helicopter gunships pounded suspected Taliban positions with rockets. Casualty figures were unknown.

The Guardian also says the operation was coordinated with the British military, which has a fortified base in the town and several outposts in surrounding areas. Scottish infantrymen, it tells us, provided covering fire as the Marines passed through their lines, while British commanders coordinated surveillance of Taliban movements.

According to US Marine spokeswoman Captain Kelly Frushour, the Marines are now in control of the town centre.

The news of this success, which has eluded British forces, comes a day after The Daily Telegraph published details of a downbeat confidential Foreign and Commonwealth Office paper, which listed "a catalogue of problems and weaknesses in Western attempts to stabilise the country."

In a list of "critical areas to fill", the paper claimed that Nato still needed three infantry battalions, more helicopters, more aircraft and more training teams to help the Afghan army. Intriguingly, it also raises concerns about the situation after November, when the US Marines currently engaged in the Garmsir operation are to be withdrawn from the south.
 
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ArtyEngineer    SCCO   1/30/2009 9:57:38 PM
Yeah, I also was very dissapointed about the lack of coevrage regarding the 24th MEU's ops in Helmand provence.  OP Asada Wosa (Remain Free) as it was named is a case study in what the perfectly meshed combined arms of a MEU can do.  My boys from Alpha Battery 1/10 who were part of that powered up their new digital howitzers prior to leaving the wire and didnt shut them off for 36 days!!!!  They were shooting moving and communicating the whole time in support of the guys at the sharp end.
 
But what do you think of this, they are not getting any sort of  "Combat Action Award" as they didnt take incoming?  Interested to hear your thoughts on an Artillery Battery which were in continuous combat ops for 36 Days not being eligible!!!
 
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